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Foreshadowing of The Breakup
jwhouk:
Unfortunately, yes.
Odin:
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Nov 2010, 22:53 ---I wouldn't say any of it, except maybe the Toto bit, was foreshadowing. Marten and Dora had a turbulent relationship all along; if they hadn't, Dora walking out wouldn't have been the shock it was.
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Anyone that was actually shocked by the breakup is/was a complete moron.
Visible_One:
--- Quote from: Odin on 22 Nov 2010, 07:39 ---
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Nov 2010, 22:53 ---I wouldn't say any of it, except maybe the Toto bit, was foreshadowing. Marten and Dora had a turbulent relationship all along; if they hadn't, Dora walking out wouldn't have been the shock it was.
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Anyone that was actually shocked by the breakup is/was a complete moron.
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Despite all of this foreshadowing we're now identifying, I think we should remember that hindsight is 20/20.
Not seeing this breakup coming isn't moronic; it just involves not seeing subtle signs. Or being wilfully blind to them. At least, I know that's what I was doing.
JackFaerie:
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 21 Nov 2010, 11:02 ---It's not so much that the breakup was unexpected, but that Marten would roll over again. Recently, he's demonstrated that he's willing to confront her directly. And then when things came to a head, he just (presumably, since we didn't see anything) silently accepted it and walked out.
I would have said Marten would have rolled over a few months ago when faced with a breakup from Dora without a problem...but after these recent developments? That's what's surprising.
Guess Marten hasn't grown at all throughout these years. Ah well.
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How does that even make sense? Why would him trying to "stand up for himself" by refusing to break up be a good thing? Their relationship was far worse for him than it was for her. He should have broken up with her earlier in fact--but it seems he was totally unable to do it even when faced with absolute deal-breakers for any other person. It's not "rolling over" to accept that it's over when it wasn't good for you anyway. Complaining that Marten's "weak-willed" in that he just silently accepted the breakup is a bit like complaining that an abuse victim "just accepted it" when her abuser said "oh crap I realized I've been abusing you all this time and I don't want to be that person but I can't help myself, so I'm leaving you now." How would it have shown strength of character (or in fact, anything other than spinelessness and stupidity) for Marten to have been all "No Dora, I love youuu let's stay in this totally unworkable relationship that hasn't been satisfying me for months on the off chance that with enough therapy and over lots and lots of time, your problems will disappear and we'll be able to ignore our other incompatibilities"?
--- Quote from: Graphite on 21 Nov 2010, 03:45 ---One of the really early foreshadowings that she might never be able to get rid of the fear http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=592
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I don't think that was really foreshadowing. It was directly stated in a number of the early-relationship strips that Dora was insecure about this. The difference was, "at the start of the relationship," this is something you just hope to work on, and hope will eventually go away. If it persists even as the relationship continues, however...
kaitco:
On the hindsight is 20/20 thing... 118
I have started going through the archives again and, now that we have a strong sense of just how bad Dora's reservations about Marten/Faye, the beginning comics take on a whole new light. Dora is introduced in Comic 75 and less than 50 strips later, I am already sick of Faye telling Dora that she and Marten are not a thing. Granted, this was (in my mind) two years earlier and an entirely different QC atmosphere, but Dora has been pining for Marten since the day she met him and the possibility that he and Faye would hookup has been at the back of her mind...since the day she met Marten.
With Comic 1800 in mind as I peruse the earlier strips, I wonder why I was even remotely surprised by The Breakup or why I amwas still hoping that the pair may come to their senses.
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