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Foreshadowing of The Breakup
benji:
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 22 Nov 2010, 09:56 ---I'm assuming you're trolling since this post makes no sense. How about just...talking it over? Going to a therapist? It worked for Faye.
I'm not sure why you're focusing on extremes.
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Nah. I actually find something vaguely disturbing in the idea that the strong, manly thing to do would be to refuse to let the relationship end. There's such a thing as commitment, sure, but then there's also such a thing as realizing that you aren't growing in a relationship and that maybe you need to give it a rest.
Near Lurker:
--- Quote from: Odin on 22 Nov 2010, 07:39 ---
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 21 Nov 2010, 22:53 ---I wouldn't say any of it, except maybe the Toto bit, was foreshadowing. Marten and Dora had a turbulent relationship all along; if they hadn't, Dora walking out wouldn't have been the shock it was.
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Anyone that was actually shocked by the breakup is/was a complete moron.
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By the fact that them breaking up in general? Sure. Over this? Come on.
someone1074:
--- Quote from: benji on 22 Nov 2010, 10:40 ---Nah. I actually find something vaguely desterbing in the idea that the strong, manly thing to do would be to refuse to let the relationship end. There's such a thing as comitment, sure, but then there's also such a thing as realizing that you aren't growing in a relationship and that maybe you need to give it a rest.
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It's less a matter of it being the 'strong or manly' thing to do than just acknowledging that there is real love and potential there and not abandoning it. If the roles were completely reversed, I would have been surprised that Dora didn't try to make it work a little harder. It's curious because the earlier conflicts they experienced were much more serious. Adding to that, Marten was more willing to help Faye work through it, yet this hurt him incalculably worse...and he didn't try harder to help Dora through it.
Mind you, I'm not saying they had to stay in the relationship, but I'm surprised that Marten finally learned about all these issues she has and instead of helping her with them, he just leaves her to suffer. That's what surprised me.
EDIT: Adding to that last line, I'd have no issue with this if Marten felt better about his decision to let it go...but it's pretty clear he has misgivings about it. He wants to help. So is it so bad that I'd expect him to try?
Carl-E:
I've been saying this in other threads, and I think he may well have, after the deer in the headlights of 1799. We don't know what was said by either after that, but we do know that in the end, Dora convinced got him to go along with her and break it off.
It takes two to make a relationship. It only tales one to end it.
emikoala:
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 22 Nov 2010, 10:46 ---
--- Quote from: benji on 22 Nov 2010, 10:40 ---Nah. I actually find something vaguely desterbing in the idea that the strong, manly thing to do would be to refuse to let the relationship end. There's such a thing as comitment, sure, but then there's also such a thing as realizing that you aren't growing in a relationship and that maybe you need to give it a rest.
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Adding to that, Marten was more willing to help Faye work through it, yet this hurt him incalculably worse...and he didn't try harder to help Dora through it.
Mind you, I'm not saying they had to stay in the relationship, but I'm surprised that Marten finally learned about all these issues she has and instead of helping her with them, he just leaves her to suffer. That's what surprised me.
EDIT: Adding to that last line, I'd have no issue with this if Marten felt better about his decision to let it go...but it's pretty clear he has misgivings about it. He wants to help. So is it so bad that I'd expect him to try?
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But Marten's way of helping Faye was by letting her off the hook in terms of her guilt that she couldn't return Marten's feelings. He told her, "You've got stuff to work through, I'm going to stop pursuing you and give you space while you do that." Now he's accepted that he has to give Dora her space while she works through *her* stuff.
I don't think Marten is "leaving her to suffer", either. He accepted the breakup, yes. But he doesn't seem angry or spiteful about it - he even told Faye not to go start a fight with Dora over it. There's no reason to assume at this point that he's decided to completely abandon her.
Breakups are always sad, even when you know they are the right choice to make. Especially coming from a long-term relationship where you've gotten used to the person's presence and function in your life. Marten's level of sadness is about what I'd expect for the end of a year-long relationship, even if he knows it's the right choice in the long run.
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