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Foreshadowing of The Breakup

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PaxCeciliaPwns:

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--- Quote from: melly21 on 22 Nov 2010, 16:17 ---but maybe now Marten is just thinking "Ya know what screw this, I am going to work on myself and worry about myself for once"

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...suggests that he can satisfactorily take advantage of the situation.

And to be frank, Marten was crazy about Faye at first and he took that rejection remarkably well. You say he's not a saint, but he's been portrayed as such throughout most if not all of this comic. He is 'The Good Guy'.

Also:


--- Quote from: melly21 on 22 Nov 2010, 16:17 ---You can't expect someone who has just been dumped to just hang around and help out with their issues. If Dora didn't want to be in the relationship then she didn't want to be in the relationship, I don't think anything he said (or did say) could change this. If someone wants out, they want out.

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She's afraid her issues will consume her and that they'll never get better so she stopped trying. There's a difference. If it were up to her, she would stay in the relationship, but she feels her issues are insurmountable. So were Faye's, in her own eyes, but she took Marten's advice and worked through them.
 

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I don't see how saying "screw this" translates to being alright with the break up. If I can't finish my homework and have to say "screw this", I'm not happy that I am going to get a zero. But I will, as you put it, reluctantly accept the zero and try to move on.
Also, Dora was in a relationship with Marten, Faye wasn't. It's like staying on a sinking ship and trying to bail it out. Sure, if you bail out enough you might patch the hole, but this ship was taking on a lot of water.

someone1074:

It's the end of the statement, not the beginning. The 'for once' suggests that this opportunity is something he was looking forward to.

Also not sure about the Dora/Faye comparison at the end of your post there. They both thought similarly of their issues. Faye to the point where she wanted no men in her life and refused a relationship with Marten and Dora where she feels she cannot be in a relationship and refused a continued relationship with Marten. The difference however is that Marten had more of a vested interest in assisting Dora since he had experienced a relationship with her and wanted to continue it (as evidenced by his bitterness, sadness and frustration at Dora's rationale for the break up).

Torlek:

--- Quote from: someone1074 on 22 Nov 2010, 16:51 ---
--- Quote from: melly21 on 22 Nov 2010, 16:17 ---but maybe now Marten is just thinking "Ya know what screw this, I am going to work on myself and worry about myself for once"

--- End quote ---

...suggests that he can satisfactorily take advantage of the situation.

And to be frank, Marten was crazy about Faye at first and he took that rejection remarkably well. You say he's not a saint, but he's been portrayed as such throughout most if not all of this comic. He is 'The Good Guy'.

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And you know what? Even good guys have their limits. Additionally, the situations with Faye and Dora are very different.

1.) Faye moving in to The Talk was three, maybe five months at most. Dora and Marten have been going out for at least a year.
2.) Faye was a friend/roommate/hopeful girlfriend that transitioned into a friend/roommate. Dora was a long-term girlfriend who looks to transition into an at-best friend/awkward-to-be-around ex.
3.) Faye's rejection came in a calm collected manner with a valid explanation of deeper issues after months of mixed signals. Dora's rejection comes in the sound and fury of a fight with no explanation of deeper issues after a year of what seemed to be a mostly good relationship.
4,) Faye said, "I want to fix my issues". Dora, from what we've seen pending further recounting of any post-1799 conversation, said, "I can't fix my issues. I give up."

These are markedly different scenarios here.

True, Marten may not be acting exactly in character here. But getting dumped hard is the kind of stressing situation that makes people act not in character. That said, he's having a very human reaction. Anger's been building up for months even though he told himself he could fix it. That's just the noble creature that he is. But he's finally burst. He's bitter. He resents having to put up with Dora's crazy when she doesn't seem to be doing a thing to fix it. Maybe for once he's being actually selfish and saying that he doesn't need her insecurities if she's not going to work through them with him.
Good guys like to fight the good fight. But sometimes even they realize that something isn't worth fighting for. They won't like it. They'll still want to fight for happiness and good. But some battles are just un-winnable.

melly21:

--- Quote from: someone1074 on 22 Nov 2010, 18:41 ---It's the end of the statement, not the beginning. The 'for once' suggests that this opportunity is something he was looking forward to.

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I was not saying that this was an opportunity he was looking forward to, I didn't mean he was just sitting there thinking "Oh god when is this relationship going to end so I can focus on myself" or that he held resentment towards Faye and Dora and their issues. I just mean he could see this freaking shitty situation as an opportunity for him to worry about himself, because he is hurting too. I understand Dora is hurting but she just hurt Marten and he needs to work through that hurt before he can worry about anyone else.

someone1074:

I'm aware. You clarified your point earlier. I was responding to the person directly above my post...

And Torlek, I would argue that your first 3 points provide more of a reason for Marten to try harder. As for your last paragraph, I explained that I actually see his current action in character. I was hoping that this situation would bring about an out-of-character reaction. I actually don't think he's being selfish at all here (again, opting to allow Dora her wishes despite disagreeing with them)...but I was hoping for a selfish response. I thought this situation would have been enough to bring one about.

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