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Dora/ Martin.

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jwhouk:
That "put a ring on it" comment got me thinking:

Dora's never gonna be the flower girl now, is she?

TheEvilDog:
I think the crux of the matter simply was, both Dora and Marten had issues, which they've ignored since we, the readers, first read the comics. By ignoring these issues, they were allowed to fester, and spread and infect. I mean, look at when we first met Marten (and I will be sticking with him for this example), he's lonely, depressed, hates his job and just doesn't have the willpower to actually try to change his life or to even talk to a woman in a bar.

It actually takes Faye to come up to him and say hi before we see any slight change in him, but it doesn't take.

It actually takes Dora to kiss him to make him realise that there was a girl right in front of him who actually wanted him. But it doesn't take.

It actually takes encouragement from his mother and Dora to consider quitting his dead end job, but of course, he was fired so he couldn't assert himself that way. And which leads him into a job which from all reasoning is perhaps even more tedious than his office job.

The majority of the major events in Marten's life have been enabled by other people or outside forces, which means Marten never learned anything for himself, how to stand up for himself, to go after what he wants. Even now, when the best thing that happened to him dumps him, his only reaction is the same default one that he has used since day one...retreating into himself. We see no postivie growth now, only growing anger, which, yes, it can be useful can also be far more dangerous than apathy.

Marten might have grown a pair of balls but it could also be the match thrown towards the powder keg. Which in a way, is a great tribute to Jeph's skills as a writer that there is the potential for such a Milquetoast character to transform into a seething mass of bitterness.

Both Marten and Dora need to recognise this now or things will get far worse.

And yes, I am one of those people who believes Marten should head home to California for a time, both to think things through and to get away from the sympathy and awkwardness that is bound to arise amongst the cast now.

Is it cold in here?:
Well said. The pain will have been worth it in the long run if it gets him over the whole manatee on codeine problem.

mira:
I think it's pretty telling that Dora broke up with Martin the first time Martin flat out tells her off for not respecting him. He was 100% right in his assessment of the situation. Dora can accuse him of any imaginary misdeed she likes, demanding some explanation and reassurance, but when called on the mat for her own ACTUAL misconduct she can't take it and drops him. I agree that she simply needs to grow up. Therapy isn't necessary for every case of run of the mill hypocrisy and immaturity.

Furthermore, this relationship didn't feel right in the first place. It made Martin look like a faithless dope to jump ship to Dora when he was falling for Faye.  The entire relationship never made sense to me, for the same reason it never made sense to Dora. I couldn't believe he didn't hold a candle for Faye. No one is that flexible in their romantic interests. Dora was always going to be second fiddle-if only because she literally WAS his second choice.  

I see talk in other threads about paring choices, Hanners seems to be winning popular points. I can't really see that happening either-and not because she's "crazy"-but because she's Hanners. And Martin, well, I'm disappointed in him. He shouldn't have gotten mixed up with Dora. She's too close to Faye and wasn't where his heart was leading him anyway. Now the whole social circle gets to pay for his inability to base his life on more than what stumbles across his path.

Thanks to Jeph for creating characters real enough for me to be "disappointed" in and care enough to post about.  :)

Cmaley1:
Late to the party, I just discovered QC and finally caught up with it today :-D

The break-up is to my utter dismay. While I chortled to myself in earlier comics when they had just started dating thinking 'how will this ever work', I now feel like with a little more patience, it could have.

However, I think Faye is too much the elephant in the room between the duo. Dora's insecurities in playing second-best would not end anytime soon and honestly, Faye is like a mental trigger for her that will always be present. Dora KNOWS that Faye was the first to win Marten's affections and that can't be erased but only looked past. Unfortunately for Dora, Faye is always there, and thus those little insecurities will always be lingering around.

As far as Marten goes, I think he really messed up letting Dora move in with him and Faye at the jump. That was a tell-tale sign that their relationship cannot progress past a certain point because Faye is still occupying some of his heart. The three of them should have seen that train wreck coming a mile away.

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