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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Odin:
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 15 Dec 2010, 09:03 ---
--- Quote ---A concussion on top of a bottle of bourbon could very easily mean you pass out and never wake up.
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And wouldn't that be a pisser over the next hundred comics or so.
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Marten dies, comic lives on. I could totally see it happening and becoming a much better comic because of it (Angus replaces Marten!).
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: ErrantCanadian on 15 Dec 2010, 08:46 ---That's... not true at all. Hanners bringing the worry hat and Hanners drinking on that filthy couch. Marten's mom flying in. Faye helping Marten process the ridiculousness of Dora's paranoia, raging out a bit, and then accepting Marten's point of view to stay calm. Tai hugging Marten. Faye coming home early to make sure Marten's OK.
Clearly, this sucks for everyone in their social circle, and so far, Hanners is kind of still a friend to both, Faye is/was still closer to Marten, Tai is definitely closer to Marten, and Sven of course is on Dora's side, but still nice to Marten (in his horribly unhelpful way.) I don't think Dora is getting all the sympathy while Marten is suffering alone AT ALL.
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But like I've said, neither Hanners, Tai or Sven really know what Marten is going through, they've said nice things, but they haven't been comforting. Hanners gave Marten his worry hat back but still treated him like a child, admittedly, because of they way Marten explained about how the worry hat worked, and Hanners has slept on that couch on at least two occasions, sitting on it is alright after a scalding shower. Tai just thinks that Marten is missing free coffee and baked goods, and even insulted him before giving him a hug (which is negated but the bad attempt at a nipple joke). Sven? Well, Sven acted like Sven. Veronica invited herself even despite Marten's protests.
As for Faye, so ok, she cut her evening with Angus short, but the fact remains that she still spent enough of the evening with him for some heavy petting (enough to lose her bra anyway). Look at when Sven slept with Gina Riversmith. Marten went home and comforted Faye, put an arm around her. Now that Dora and Marten have broken up, Faye has threatened violence, then again, there probably isn't a day where the resident southern belle hasn't threatened someone with violence. But she never asked if he was ok. As far as I can see, no one has asked Marten "If he is alright". It isn't much, but those four words can do more for someone than what the others have done.
ErrantCanadian:
--- Quote from: Laminator_X on 15 Dec 2010, 08:45 ---We should be gentle in applying-real world standards to the things that went on in this strip. What Marten did could fit the definition of sexual assault in some states (though more likely a milder variation on the offense). OTOH, if this were real-life Faye could have just killed him there. A concussion on top of a bottle of bourbon could very easily mean you pass out and never wake up.
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I don't think anyone would think Marten was guilty of any type of sexual assault for bringing his face slightly closer to Faye's and suggesting they should make out. Nobody was forced into anything and Faye clearly stopped that train of thought before it got to the station. She said no really forcefully by shoving or punching him away. She didn't give him a chance to back off; she made sure he wasn't in a position to. And I think even drunk, if she had said no, Marten would have respected THAT line. If he hadn't, that would have brought him into assault territory.
I've been assaulted and I've been a recipient of unwanted advances from drunk friends. They're different situations completely, and the drunk friend clumsily hitting on you is not a bad person.
It's also not sexual harassment - it's definitely an awkward and unwanted drunken advance, but it lacks the foresight and coercive/persistent nature that I think really defines harassment.
People making unwanted advances can be annoying, but there's a difference between feeling like "Argh, I so don't want to deal with this friend drama, can I just be somewhere else right now" and "Holy crap this huge guy will not let go of me and it's late and this street is deserted" or "If I say no to my boss, will I lose my job?" Can we not trivialize sexual assault by pretending this is anything near that please?
Wiregeek:
--- Quote --- Can we not trivialize sexual assault by pretending this is anything near that please?
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And on that note, I'm fucking done. I'll catch you cool cats thursday evening or friday evening, depending on whether I die on the flight down or not.
ErrantCanadian:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2010, 09:07 ---
But like I've said, neither Hanners, Tai or Sven really know what Marten is going through, they've said nice things, but they haven't been comforting.
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I'm not sure where you're getting this, it looks like they have been doing their best. And your friends don't need to know precisely what you're going through to help you through a rough time.
--- Quote ---As for Faye, so ok, she cut her evening with Angus short, but the fact remains that she still spent enough of the evening with him for some heavy petting (enough to lose her bra anyway)... But she never asked if he was ok.
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Well, Angus is her boyfriend. She's not abandoning Marten. She lives with him and she's been there, although giving him space. Which he sort of indicated he needed by shutting the door after he came home from the breakup.
--- Quote ---As far as I can see, no one has asked Marten "If he is alright". It isn't much, but those four words can do more for someone than what the others have done.
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http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1806 "Well? Is it helping?"
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1810 "Yeah, I'm OK" (Clearly answering his mom's question "Are you OK?")
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1816 "Are you going to be all right?"
I think you are projecting your past experiences with your friends onto Marten a bit. I think they're there, but Marten clearly needs to communicate with them better about his feelings, which he doesn't do much to start with.
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