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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
cuzsis:
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--- Quote from: ErrantCanadian on 15 Dec 2010, 08:46 ---That's... not true at all. Hanners bringing the worry hat and Hanners drinking on that filthy couch. Marten's mom flying in. Faye helping Marten process the ridiculousness of Dora's paranoia, raging out a bit, and then accepting Marten's point of view to stay calm. Tai hugging Marten. Faye coming home early to make sure Marten's OK.
Clearly, this sucks for everyone in their social circle, and so far, Hanners is kind of still a friend to both, Faye is/was still closer to Marten, Tai is definitely closer to Marten, and Sven of course is on Dora's side, but still nice to Marten (in his horribly unhelpful way.) I don't think Dora is getting all the sympathy while Marten is suffering alone AT ALL.
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But like I've said, neither Hanners, Tai or Sven really know what Marten is going through, they've said nice things, but they haven't been comforting. Hanners gave Marten his worry hat back but still treated him like a child, admittedly, because of they way Marten explained about how the worry hat worked, and Hanners has slept on that couch on at least two occasions, sitting on it is alright after a scalding shower. Tai just thinks that Marten is missing free coffee and baked goods, and even insulted him before giving him a hug (which is negated but the bad attempt at a nipple joke). Sven? Well, Sven acted like Sven. Veronica invited herself even despite Marten's protests.
As for Faye, so ok, she cut her evening with Angus short, but the fact remains that she still spent enough of the evening with him for some heavy petting (enough to lose her bra anyway). Look at when Sven slept with Gina Riversmith. Marten went home and comforted Faye, put an arm around her. Now that Dora and Marten have broken up, Faye has threatened violence, then again, there probably isn't a day where the resident southern belle hasn't threatened someone with violence. But she never asked if he was ok. As far as I can see, no one has asked Marten "If he is alright". It isn't much, but those four words can do more for someone than what the others have done.
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I agree.
Faye decided to spend most of the evening with Angus before coming over. That's fine if that's what she wants to do, but her priority is obviously Angus at this point (and that's somewhat understandable considering her past.)
Showing up to realize Marten is 3-sheets to the wind, you either accept that you're going to get a lot of drunk talk (and blow it off appropriately)
Or you leave.
Faye stayed and punched Marten out. Within character? Yes. Cool? No.
Marten's put up with a lot more crap (drunk crap even) and handled it without getting totally pissed at the person (punches or no) If Faye couldn't do that, she should've left and not hit Marten when he's metaphysically down.
Right now the only two people who've been there for Marten are Sven (in his own way) and Hanners.
Marten's best friend and family completely blew him off in one way or another (Faye decked him and his mom is coming down despite him not wanting her to)
Marten is really getting dumped on at the moment. :|
The Seldom Killer:
--- Quote from: The Duke on 15 Dec 2010, 10:07 ---
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 15 Dec 2010, 03:28 ---Note to self: worry hats are a useless defence against girly punching.
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Nothing girly about it.
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I beg to differ, if you look at the strip again, the punch was very clearly thrown by a woman, ergo girly punching.
Don't make the mistake of imagining that girly punching delivers any less impact, on any level. It differs from manly punching quite a bit but is equally harsh, often more so owing to the usual social conventions.
Odin:
--- Quote from: Smoot on 15 Dec 2010, 10:31 ---
--- Quote from: Odin on 15 Dec 2010, 09:05 ---
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 15 Dec 2010, 09:03 ---
--- Quote ---A concussion on top of a bottle of bourbon could very easily mean you pass out and never wake up.
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And wouldn't that be a pisser over the next hundred comics or so.
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Marten dies, comic lives on. I could totally see it happening and becoming a much better comic because of it
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Heh. Marten dies, comic barely slows down. People making inappropriate comments and stream-of-consciousness jokes when they find he's not moving. Wisecracking coroners joking bawdily about rigor mortis. People divvying up his record collection and making indie jokes. Yeah, I can kinda see that happening. ;)
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I meant that the comic could still exist without Marten in it at all (and this would be the perfect opportunity to get rid of him). Besides, it's already had one character eaten by an Allosaurus with zero reaction from the other characters, so Jeph could totally kill him off and enjoy the viewings he gets from hamming up the post death drama or do a *arbitrary time frame later* fast forward and show the gang getting along just fine some time later and everything back to normal sans Marten if he wanted.
The Audience wouldn't care for very long either, we're very fickle people for the most part when it comes to this stuff (does anyone miss the guy that owned the Linux AnthroPC, for example?).
maddness:
I can't really say too much about Faye punching him because in certain situations I think that you do what you've got to do. Yeah, given their specific situation, the punch was a bit much. If she'd been frightened or felt threatened by him, then I would have said Faye was fully justified in putting him down, but her response seemed to me to be more an angry one than anything else so I think it was a harsher response than was really necessary. I've had drunk buddies cross the line with me and I've had to physically rebuff them, but I've never had to punch any of them to get my point across.
I don't think Faye will be too happy with him for a bit, but I don't think this is going to end their friendship or anything.
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--- Quote from: The Duke on 15 Dec 2010, 10:07 ---
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 15 Dec 2010, 03:28 ---Note to self: worry hats are a useless defence against girly punching.
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Nothing girly about it.
--- Quote from: Mojo on 15 Dec 2010, 07:21 ---Well, seems to me Dora was actually RIGHT to an extent. Marten is betraying a little flame for Faye here.
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Nah, I'd say it's a simpler "I'm drunk, she's hot" situation, although I could be wrong.
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Replace 'hot' with 'handy' and I think you've got it. Thank god Hanners left when she did. She really might've accidentally killed him. Or not accidentally, if she had one of her 'moments.'
And anyone else see Faye giving payback for when Marten overdid it ragging her about her drinking? Way back when—pre-Faye and Sven.
Hey, that rhymes…
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Seems more to me like he's drunk, he's angry, he's hurt and so he lashed out. It was him helping Faye through her guy induced panic that set Dora off. Then Dora tells him she thinks he still wants Faye. Add in whatever buried lingering resentment he's got over her shooting him down and then hooking up with a guy who's got a rep for treating women like crap. Pour some alcohol on that and you've got instant asshole.
cuzsis:
--- Quote from: adrialexi on 15 Dec 2010, 11:19 ---
--- Quote from: mira on 15 Dec 2010, 11:03 ---Martin's been a good friend to her and has helped her sort her stuff out. Martin took her at face value, and gave her up because she wasn't up to having a relationship. He attempted to move on, shoving his feelings for her aside and exploring his feelings for Dora.
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If he did any of those things with the expectation of some sort of "return on investment" pass to get Faye-booty, then he isn't a very good friend. Friends help each other because they want to help each other, not because there is some quid pro quo situation. Being nice to someone when they are depressed or hurting is not a free pass into their pants and the perception that it somehow should be is why some guys/girls get mean in this kind of situation (not necessarily Marten).
--- Quote from: mira on 15 Dec 2010, 11:03 ---Yeah, that would make anyone wonder. It comes back to "Why wasn't it me?". Now he's dumped, and Faye has her new boyfriend. The snark says "I've been used." And I wonder if in some sense he hasn't.
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Not used. He freely offered help and compassion to Faye. If he hoped to get something more than friendship in return, it is not her fault for not reciprocating.
I honestly hope that is not the direction that Marten takes. He could use this as a way to work on himself and learn that, even when something hurts, it isn't necessarily all about you - or any about you for that matter. I would hate to think that he is that duplicitous, but if you'd asked me yesterday, I'd have said he wasn't capable of today's comic either.
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He didn't do it to get a free pass.
But he is wondering why after all his work at being a good friend and a good boyfriend, things are working out for everyone, but him.
And if you've never been in that place in life (smile and the world kicks you in the teeth) I can only tell you he's doing what any rational human would.
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