Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
ErrantCanadian:
--- Quote from: LeeC on 15 Dec 2010, 11:00 ---I agree Geoffthellama, some people are taking this way too far, its like they want the cops called on either of them. Like when a lawyer makes his client wear bandages and a sling for a harmless scrape.
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COSIGN. :psyduck:
QC Criminality Roundup:
- Marten doesn't have irreversible brain damage or the need for a full body cast after being shoved aside or punched by Faye. Or this would be a very different comic starting tomorrow. Faye does not need to be taken away in cuffs on an assault charge.
- Marten has not touched Faye in any no-no places. He came on to her in a highly douchey fashion and she was all, "Cuddle my sweet gentle fist." It's bad in terms of their relationship and boundaries, but Marten is not a sex offender.
LeeC:
This looks like a job for Billy!
The Seldom Killer:
Moving away from a disturbing and occaisionally obtuse autopsy, for the current poll I've voted Other. I could wander off on a wild tangent as to what could happen, but I'll leave that to say that while I don't think it'll happen, I'm really rooting for Hannelore meets Mum. I suspect that those voting for hungover apologies to Faye are a little preemptive. They'll happen but not tomorrow.
cyro:
--- Quote from: cuzsis on 15 Dec 2010, 11:40 ---And if you've never been in that place in life (smile and the world kicks you in the teeth) I can only tell you he's doing what any rational human would.
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Actually I think what he's doing is the opposite of rational. Perfectly understandable and emotionally driven but certainly not rational.
azurite:
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 15 Dec 2010, 10:58 ---
--- Quote from: Laminator_X on 15 Dec 2010, 10:49 ---
--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 10:29 ---2) Even without a crotch grab, responding to a gentle shove and "you're being a dick" with "Oh yeah? That's what you like" doesn't indicate that is an individual who is going to take no for an answer. At that point, whatever you need to do to disable the guy from pushing the issue further, relative to the situation. A slap is justified. Shoving him away is justified. Immediately leaving the apartment is justified. Knocking him out is justified. Punching him more than once would've been extreme. Beating on him more than necessary to disable further advances would've been extreme. Homicide, that would've been extreme.
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Jumping straight from "hand on his sternum" to "knocking him out" (if that is how it went) is not at all justified. She escalated straight to "risking brain damage or death" level of violence against somebody whose "frail indie-rock physique" is barely strong enough to hold up an unconscious Hanners. His actions clearly warranted a physical response at that point, but lets not give Faye a pass here. She's no delicate flower; she's hands-down the toughest kid on the block.
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Can we please stop with the whole 'let's demonize overly-abusive Faye' thing now? Please?
It wasn't just how he was touching her, it was everything he was saying in tandem with making the move. I'm more than willing to accept that Faye can be a bully, but Marten hit Creep Factor 5 right there. He was already demonstrating behavior she wasn't familiar with - who the hell knows what else he was going to pull out of his magic hat? At least that's what might have been going through her head. Hell, it would have been going through mine.
Also, homicide? Really? Really?
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In case we are miscommunicating: Homicide = extreme/NOT justified, is what I meant; a number of posts seem to be saying that even punching him was too extreme.
What you say here is what I'm getting at. None of that was Marten-like behavior; we've seen him drunk before, yeah, but not bitter and aggressive drunk. Even without a crotch grab, the way he was encroaching on her space and the stuff he was slurring at her was abusive, disrespectful, and at risk of putting anyone's safety instincts on red alert.
If you're someone who knows how to protect herself, it's going to be a minute or two before "aww, come on, it's just MARTEN" catches up with GET AWAY FROM ME POW FIST. And, you know, without getting into personal history or experiences I've heard from friends who talked themselves out of their instincts, sometimes "it's just MARTEN" is a thought that would've been better to come second. Faye couldn't know where that was going to stop and she protected herself. So yeah, I'm at least giving her a "I don't know that I would've done that differently." No demonization of Faye here. I appreciate that not everyone agrees with me, and there's little I can say to dissuade them from feeling Faye is totally in the wrong. That's fine. I'll still read you. :-)
Marten decided to drink like that, fragile indie physique or no. I actually called "Marten will get too drunk, Faye will come home, Marten will make a pass at her, Faye will deck him" as soon as I saw that bottle come out. Did Marten think of that? No. Was Marten thinking about anything other than "I'm gonna get DRUNK?" Kinda doubt it. Actions have consequences. In reality, sometimes way more intense consequences than seem fair, should an act of self-defense sustain more damage than a black eye. This is QC, not reality, so I doubt anyone will end up dead or in prison.
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