Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
AshiHalfangel:
Oh, hey guys...lets just overreact once again over something that was meant to be funny. Marten was being a jerk...whether or not he deserved a punch, I don't know. But he did deserve something. Sometimes a nice smack around is what makes him wake up a bit and realize that life doesn't end with Dora. And who knows...you don't know where Marten's hands were. For all you know he could've undone his pants or had his hands groping her ass. If that was the case, then he did deserve it. But I rather not overanalyze this and I'm not trying to be a troll. But Jesus, people...is it so hard to ask to just enjoy the webcomic for what it is?
cyro:
--- Quote from: AshiHalfangel on 15 Dec 2010, 11:54 ---Oh, hey guys...lets just overreact once again over something that was meant to be funny. Marten was being a jerk...whether or not he deserved a punch, I don't know. But he did deserve something. Sometimes a nice smack around is what makes him wake up a bit and realize that life doesn't end with Dora. And who knows...you don't know where Marten's hands were. For all you know he could've undone his pants or had his hands groping her ass. If that was the case, then he did deserve it. But I rather not overanalyze this and I'm not trying to be a troll. But Jesus, people...is it so hard to ask to just enjoy the webcomic for what it is?
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Taking the comic and blowing it out of all proportion is half the fun here.
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GeoffTheLlama:
--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 11:46 ---
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--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 10:29 ---2) Even without a crotch grab, responding to a gentle shove and "you're being a dick" with "Oh yeah? That's what you like" doesn't indicate that is an individual who is going to take no for an answer. At that point, whatever you need to do to disable the guy from pushing the issue further, relative to the situation. A slap is justified. Shoving him away is justified. Immediately leaving the apartment is justified. Knocking him out is justified. Punching him more than once would've been extreme. Beating on him more than necessary to disable further advances would've been extreme. Homicide, that would've been extreme.
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Jumping straight from "hand on his sternum" to "knocking him out" (if that is how it went) is not at all justified. She escalated straight to "risking brain damage or death" level of violence against somebody whose "frail indie-rock physique" is barely strong enough to hold up an unconscious Hanners. His actions clearly warranted a physical response at that point, but lets not give Faye a pass here. She's no delicate flower; she's hands-down the toughest kid on the block.
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Can we please stop with the whole 'let's demonize overly-abusive Faye' thing now? Please?
It wasn't just how he was touching her, it was everything he was saying in tandem with making the move. I'm more than willing to accept that Faye can be a bully, but Marten hit Creep Factor 5 right there. He was already demonstrating behavior she wasn't familiar with - who the hell knows what else he was going to pull out of his magic hat? At least that's what might have been going through her head. Hell, it would have been going through mine.
Also, homicide? Really? Really?
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In case we are miscommunicating: Homicide = extreme/NOT justified, is what I meant; a number of posts seem to be saying that even punching him was too extreme.
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Oh, my comment was directed at Laminator X*. Pretty sure we're in agreement here.
*EDIT TO FIX NAME BECAUSE I FAIL
StevenC:
--- Quote from: AshiHalfangel on 15 Dec 2010, 11:54 ---And who knows...you don't know where Marten's hands were. For all you know he could've undone his pants or had his hands groping her ass.
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Agreeing with you on anything else, but seriously, why is anyone just thinking about the worst after admitting that we can not see what his hands were doing? He could have also: held his stomach, searched for something in his pocket, just have his arm there in a weird way because Jeph didn't care for what his arm looks like because it is mostly off panel anyway.
Also sorry for registering and writing. Don't hit me, please.
ross_teneyck:
It's a good thing Marten lives in a comic strip. If he were a real-life dude, downing an entire bottle of hard liquor by himself goes past "This is an unhealthy way of dealing with your problems" to "Seriously, you might die." Also, being punched hard enough to lose consciousness is a great way to get brain damage. Luckily for him, he does live in a comic strip, so all of that is nothing more than humorous exaggeration.
Or, given the context, not humorous per se, but for the dr4maz.
Anyway, it seems to me that this indicates that while Dora has issues with her anxieties and insecurities, the particular insecurity re: Marten's feelings for Faye was not completely unfounded. Which, really, I think they all knew: he spent months of QC-time wanting her, and you don't just turn that off like a faucet. But then warning blatant gender-based stereotyping approaching guys in general are often known to lust after most any attractive person-of-an-attracting-gender they know, and most guys manage to remain faithful to their partners anyway; so Marten was presumably sincere in his protestations of being committed to Dora. That doesn't mean that he doesn't still have feelings for Faye -- as shown here, unfortunately in the form of drunken come-ons.
Anyway, in this particular case, Marten is being an asshole, with only the tenuous excuse of being miserable and drunk, and Faye is being violent, but by the standards of the QC-verse not out of proportion to the offense. My guess is that in the morning they'll forgive each other the particular offenses, and the main fallout from this will be, "What did Marten's drunken confession indicate about what he's really feeling?"
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