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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
StevenC:
--- Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 15 Dec 2010, 12:43 ---Two: Isn't there a saying that goes "sometimes what people take seriously are hilarious, and what people think of as a joke should be taken seriously?" For all you "he was just kidding and drunk!" that's something to ponder.
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Of course that could be turned around to those who say "Sexual assault!" "grabbed her crotch with the hand that is far outside the panel" or "I can see stuff happening in 4 still images that totally show that he is trying to grope and force kiss her" people. So, it equals out and we should just say "Let's see what will happen next time, first before jumping to conclusions."
Because Marten did say those "Come on, let's make out." lines more than once earlier in the comics, while not being drunk. As a joke of course. And there is really no telling from those few panels if he was being serious or just sarcastic when he said it, also she punched him out while he was still in mid-sentence. In my opinion he's just bitter/depressed/angry for reasons we all know and being sarcastic at the end there. "Yeah, you couldn't fall in love with me but you fucked that womanizer and the guy who pissed you off every day in COD is your boyfriend now. You REALLY like the assholes. So now I am one too. We should totally make out." That + drunk = looks worse than he might have intended and you know you don't think much about consequences when drunk.
GeoffTheLlama:
--- Quote from: StevenC on 15 Dec 2010, 13:26 ---
--- Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 15 Dec 2010, 12:43 ---Two: Isn't there a saying that goes "sometimes what people take seriously are hilarious, and what people think of as a joke should be taken seriously?" For all you "he was just kidding and drunk!" that's something to ponder.
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Of course that could be turned around to those who say "Sexual assault!" "grabbed her crotch with the hand that is far outside the panel" or "I can see stuff happening in 4 still images that totally show that he is trying to grope and force kiss her" people. So, it equals out and we should just say "Let's see what will happen next time, first before jumping to conclusions."
Because Marten did say those "Come on, let's make out." lines more than once earlier in the comics, while not being drunk. As a joke of course. And there is really no telling from those few panels if he was being serious or just sarcastic when he said it, also she punched him out while he was still in mid-sentence. In my opinion he's just bitter/depressed/angry for reasons we all know and being sarcastic at the end there. "Yeah, you couldn't fall in love with me but you fucked that womanizer and the guy who pissed you off every day in COD is your boyfriend now. You REALLY like the assholes. So now I am one too. We should totally make out." That + drunk = looks worse than he might have intended and you know you don't think much about consequences when drunk.
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Right. And Faye judged the situation based on how it looked, since I'm guessing (unless Jeph's really going to give us a plot twist later) that Faye is not psychic and cannot read Marten's mind. :psyduck:
He grabbed her crotch?
Mustakyy:
--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 13:12 ---
Ehh, I don't think so either, but I'm not going to blame her if she's shaken up and actually does need to talk to someone about her best friend's transformation into Mr. Creepball Hyde. Given her options, her therapist would be the most plausible and responsible, though her boyfriend is most readily available. Kind of hoping we don't go there, because it might make Angus a little less mature about the conversation he and Faye had earlier, potentially make this depressing situation even more depressing. Or hilarious, depending on how you feel about drunken breakup drama.
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In the name of Old Ones, dont jinx it. If this gets more depressing, chances of one/multiple characters ending up dead/institutionalized go way up. Somehow, i have a vague memory, that QC used to have some kind of comedic effect, but that could be my lousy memory playing tricks on me. :-P (que the stupid "in the good ol' days"-jokes :-D )
--- Quote from: sitnspin on 15 Dec 2010, 13:19 ---As a survivor of more than one sexual assault, I would have reacted just as violently as Faye to a drunken male friend attempting to grab me and force a kiss. Survival instincts. I may or may not forgive him later, taking the booze and emotional state into account, but the fight-or-flight instinctual reaction would be the same. Marten deserved a physical reaction. Faye's reaction may have been more violent than was necessary when viewed in purely logical hindsight, but when that sort of situation is occurring, the will to survive overrides all of that and expecting her to only apply the minimum necessary amount of force is unfair and unrealistic.
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Ouch. Truly sorry to hear that. I can understand the survival adrenalin reaction which Faye seems to have had, but on the other hand, if she's had any kind of martial arts training (dont know, just assuming because of the fighting stance), one of the first things you learn (atleast after basic training course), is some kind of restraint. Because, with proper training, you can do quite a lot of damage with "just one" strike (and especially to a drunken pencilneck like marten :roll:). Dont get me wrong, I think Marten got what was coming to him, because of the Drunken Creep-mode he was in. It just doesent make the situation less sad and crappy. :-(
Hopefully, we'll see a bit more of positivity (thou my bets would go to the "Even moar sadness and miserable people"-option) in near future. We can always hope.
StevenC:
Yeah, someone said his right arm looks like his hand is going for her crotch.
I say nothing against judging the situation on how it looked for her, and maybe knocking him out really was the best course of action there before he really tried anything funny. But still the fact that he is pictured as really weak and skinny (and drunk which lowers his balance and everything) while she is rather strong leaves a bitter aftertaste there.
azurite:
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 15 Dec 2010, 13:54 ---He grabbed her crotch?
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I suggested it might be what's happening out of frame in #3, but that was relying too much on my own conjecture in making the point that Faye had reason to freak out, so I'm redacting it. His hand is nowhere near either of their crotches. If he's reaching for her side to pull her close--even his hand is just hanging there in empty air, everything I need to support her throwing a punch is in-frame. Most of it is words, too.
Actually kind of glad she disabled his advances so quickly and that there is apparently so much room for debate, because the strip it would've taken to convince everyone she was totally within bounds wouldn't have been very QC-like and might have given me nightmares.
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