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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)

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foolsguinea:
OK, I laughed out loud at #1818.

GrievousBodyguard:

--- Quote from: O8h7w on 15 Dec 2010, 16:21 ---Faye didn't really react rationally either. It triggered her old habit of punching anyone that gets too near her, be it physically or mentally. Not the long-term thing though, not now. Just a punch, and the matter is settled.

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I wouldn't really say Faye didn't react rationally. I mean, I've been around drunk people before. I've been drunk before. If Marten is drunk enough that he's being that much of a dick to her, then there really isn't much she can simply say to him that will get him off it.

And his advance, though most probably in jest, was definitely not something she could handle. And she shouldn't have to handle things like that, because they shouldn't happen. In the moment, I suspect that what was going through Faye's head was:

"This boy is making a physical advance toward me, it's making me feel uncomfortable, and there is no way that I will be able to say something to him that will make him stop."

The only recourse there is to do something physical. Yes, it might have been better for Marten's physical well being if she had simply pushed him away, but Faye's situation kind of had her backed into a corner, in my opinion.

We can only hope that she did not punch Marten in the head, or if she did, that she did not punch him too hard. Though if this is the darkest this arc will get, as Jeph's tweet suggests, I'm sure we won't have to worry about any Marten-concussions any time soon.

xerada:
I don't think we'll see concussions. Faye punched a lot more and way harder (it has to be harder to punch a non-drunk person to the ground) and we never saw anything coming near to the realistic consequences of such beatings. 

I always felt the punches were overdone for comedic effect, otherwise Marten would never have stayed with her or just kicked her out of his apartment. Seriously, that would have been serious abuse, and their relationship could not have developed that way.

jwhouk:

--- Quote from: el_loco_avs on 15 Dec 2010, 15:27 ---Heh. Excessively violent with judo.

Although you could break limbs yeah.

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...Breaking limbs means you're not doing it right.

In Faye's theoretical place, it would have been forearm strike to Marten's chin for me.




...What? I told you guys I'm a JCO...

rje:
It's so hard for me not to read this with my own biases an past experiences clouding my perceptions, cos I have actually been in Faye's position, with a friend who went off on a drunken tirade after a breakup - although the trigger for the (in his case Bacardi 151 Limón) overdose was also a job loss - and said some wrongful yet subtly 'was he always thinking that?' things to me --
and I just laughed my ass off at him. XD;
I just couldn't take a thing he said seriously, and I knew he was talking out of anger/hurt/drunkenness/his ass. I just went 'you are so full of shit man! Now c'mon let's talk about this," so I was honestly surprised at Faye's reaction. (Her first reaction, not her second.)

But then it took me a minute to realize that she's still healing and coming out of her own insecurities - the panic attack after her first date with Angus wasn't that long ago, was it - and so her reaction makes a lot more sense if you realize Marten pretty much hit all her '!!!' fight-or-flight triggers - especially the unwanted physical contact.

(Although personally I kind of don't think he was -actually- going in to kiss her [and certainly not grope her] but I think he was just again saying shit to poke the bear, but that's really personal perception.)

However, I really don't think this is going to ruin their relationship, I have a lot of faith that Faye is smarter than that, and more capable of reading every nuance in this situation. She knows Marten's losing his shit, and she knows why that shit is being lost. In fact I bet she could infer that there's probably (in my opinion at least) a lot more behind this rant than just the breakup, which brings me to my next thought:

I think Marten's next arc is going to be all about him -getting his shit together-. Y'know when I was in my twenties, the intentions I had for my life fell apart - I had to drop out of school, I lost my home, lived in a shitty studio apartment, had a dead-end job that made me want to shoot myself, but -I had a stable relationship-. By fucking god, I had a stable relationship! Which, at the time, was much more stable than everybody else's, even tho their personal lives had prospects and futures mine did not. I HAD A BOYFRIEND, WE LIVED TOGETHER LIKE REAL PEOPLE DO, EVERYTHING WAS OK.  :psyduck:

This, of course, was a terrible lie (even the stable relationship part, in hindsight, lol.) So I really read a lot of that in Marten's life atm - (maybe) the only thing that made him feel like an actual well-adjusted successful adult member of society is gone. I doubt he's thinking about it like that, but I sure bet his subconscious is.

I really hope that what Jeph has in store for him is a lot of effort put into areas of his life that have been awfully neglected for awhile.

Okay I think my ridiculously-long post hit every point I wanted to hit!

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