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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Odin:
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--- Quote from: Odin on 16 Dec 2010, 09:27 ---Tuesday's comic just showed it all still brewing there under the surface (with the bitter side of the Nice Guy unleashed by copious amounts of alcohol!).
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I dunno, when the author himself explains it as 'stupid shit' born from nothing but alcohol and writes off the idea that it's s indicative of any feelings he harbors deep down, I'd defer to him.
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Read this article (PDF) for a bit more clarity on why that particular argument is fallacious at best (especially in an environment that was created solely for the posting of critical pluralism perspectives on the comic). http://www.ou.edu/ouphil/faculty/irvin/Intention.pdf
--- Quote ---Also, have I gone mad or was that Wednesday's comic? With finals this week, I've completely lost track.
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Could be, I've only had about three hours sleep since Monday so the last day has been kind of a blur.
someone1074:
I glanced through that article but it seems to be that it would be more applicable to a body of work where the author is unable to provide any information on that work.
But I get the general point. Words can have different meanings so anyone can interpret them as they see fit. As a result, it's not right to say any one person's interpretation of a literary work is wrong, no matter what that interpretation is.
I have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation (as does the author) and the article itself, but I guess it's nice in that this article can defend anyone's thoughts on any literary work.
EDIT: I will note that you say the environment is designed for such discussions, and I do agree, but we've seen that such talk is somewhat limited. The wildest interpretations have not been treated kindly here.
Superkid11:
My only disappointment is that the burbon did not bring him closer to Z̥̗̤͆ͦ̔̋ͬa̲̱͔̎͂l͈̭͍̤̱̞̫̠͖͊ͫ͟g̼̝̃̉͒̓̚o̰͓̞̝͙͓̫̤̝̅̈́̊͆.
His only sanctuary.
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Odin on 16 Dec 2010, 09:27 ---<snip> nested quotes for brevity
You obviously haven't been reading my other posts like you claim (this one is from this very thread):
--- Quote from: Odin on 13 Dec 2010, 12:14 ---Whether Marten is still a Nice Guy or not remains to be seen, but at the very beginning of this comic he pretty much was. Jeph may have redefined him recently, but we haven't actually seen it outside of his interactions with Hannelore and other people he has no romantic interest in.
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That was a pre-1818 comic comment.
--- Quote ---Now go back, and really read the damn comics. I know it may be a challenge, but I think you'll find it's worth it. You also might want to try listening to other people. You don't have to agree with them, but if you actually listen to what they say, you may be able to refute them without simply calling them names.
Or you can go get a job at Fox news.
Either way, it should keep you busy for a while.
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I've already read them, thank you. You may want to take your own advice and go back to the very beginning of the comic, read the first, oh, 500 strips or so and then come back and seriously post that Marten did not start off in the comic as the stereotypical Nice Guy. Tuesday's comic just showed it all still brewing there under the surface (with the bitter side of the Nice Guy unleashed by copious amounts of alcohol!).
I think Marten realizes that kind of thinking is unhealthy, but is suppressing it rather than trying to deal with it, which is why he acted the way he did when he got shitfaced.
As for calling other people on here morons, I already said in the conduct thread that I'd cut back on that, so unless you've got examples of me doing that since then bringing it up again isn't gaining you anything (never mind the borderline slur in your opening remark, pot/kettle, etc.).
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Well, I must've missed that comment, and I do appreciate your restraint in that area. I guess I was just reminded of it when I was going back through some of your less recent posts!
But you keep on making the same argument over and over again, despite how many people refute it. I even agreed with you in one thread, Marten did indeed start up the comic as a Nice GuyTM, but developed past that pretty quickly within the first few hundred comics. The character is constantly and consistently being fleshed out, and he really is just a nice guy. Sure, there are probably some evil thoughts rattling around in his mind, there are in all of ours, but that doesn't make them his thoughts, nor even his genuine feelings on the matter. A few people (with a great deal more experience about alcohol than I have) have posted their thoughts on the matters of extreme drunkenness in this very thread, and while "in vino veritas" is a popular idea, extreme drunkenness does nothing to reveal truth. Marten's actions were those of someone trying to forget their pain in a thoroughly unhealthy way, and rationalizing some pretty base animal impulses. It was not a peek into his deep character, or inner psyche, or anything of the sort.
We'll probably always disagree on this point, simply because you're disregarding what I and other people have pointed out to you repeatedly, and that just doesn't bode well for you ever presenting a reasonable argument to support your point of view.
Which means you probably won't ever be able to change mine.
Again, my apologies for calling you on past behaviors.
See you 'round!
AnAverageWriter:
--- Quote from: Armadillo on 15 Dec 2010, 20:23 ---Why is that? Why do the "good guys" get shit on so much harder when they screw up, no matter how rarely it happens?
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Higher expectations.
People grow used to a punctual worker being punctual. An honest person being honest. A high achiever... uh... achieving. And thus, with those high expectations comes a far higher fall when the person makes a mistake.
Nobody expects a priest to flip off someone on the highway.
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