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WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
cabbagehut:
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--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 14 Feb 2011, 00:32 ---How do you feel about the ethical implications of this line: "If women don't like the way men behave, there is something intrinsically wrong about the male behaviour in question and said behavoiour must be stopped, punished and banned."
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What I think, is that it depends on the behaviour. Some ways in which some men behave that women dislike, are also shunned by ethical men, and banned and (ideally) punished in all civilised societies. Rape would be an obvious example. Some behaviours are merely sleazy and obnoxious, not rising to the level of formal sanctions (at least in a bar; the same behaviour in a workplace might well be viewed differently), but certainly quite enough for me to categorise men who engage in them as ones to avoid. Some are merely tiresome and dismissed with a sigh. Some insults are so routine as to be barely noticed, kind of like air-pollution.
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I cannot really comment on what men expect from other men, but the idea that men don't expect their feelings to be considered by women is downright laughable. In my experience, if we are insufficiently tactful and considerate of their cotton-candy sensibilities, even in relatively emotionally-neutral places like the office, never mind personal relationships, they give us charming names like "bitch" and "ball-crusher".
The idea that women are some sort of impenetrable mystery is essentially a cop-out. Anyone who decides something is impossible is guaranteed to fail. Women are socialised into different styles of communication from men, but this is hardly a big secret; there are libraries of books out there on the subject. Mostly you just have to pay attention rather than just "tuning us out". In the comic, Marten completely ignored the stink-eye he was being given. She still shouldn't have hit him, but this is a comic.
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I have to agree with you on all counts. Especially that saying you can't understand women is just a cop-out. Men and women really aren't that different, and they aren't exactly the same as everyone else who shares that sex/gender. Each person is an individual, and you can't expect all women to act alike - you may learn to read one woman's signals, but that doesn't mean they apply across the board. The Transitive Property can't really be used with people, except as generalized rules that have to be altered in every experience.
The way a woman dresses should not be related to how she is treated. That's putting the onus of controlling men's behavior on an individual woman. How can I know what's revealing and what's conservative? To avoid being catcalled and having crude comments directed at me, I should dress covered head-to-toe? I generally wear baggy hoodies and cargo pants - I STILL get rude things said to me on the street. There's absolutely no protection. I can't win. The only way to change things is to insist that people stop acting like assholes in public. Marten acted like an asshole, and while slapping someone's out of line, this is a slapsticky comic, and I doubt Jacques (is it better etiquette to refer to him as Jeph or Jacques?) meant this as a treatise on the sexual behavior of men in bars, but for a lot of women, it's something you've got to deal with ALL THE TIME, not just in bars.
Have you ever read Starling's "Schrödinger’s Rapist: or a guy’s guide to approaching strange women without being maced"? Link. I think you'd probably appreciate it, and it might explain why so many women on this board are having such a strong reaction to Marten's behavior.
If you don't want to read such a long article, the gist is that women have different boundaries of safety than men, and are more aware of risks such as sexual assault and rape. Therefore, they have to be extra-careful around strangers, because you don't know who's safe and who isn't. It's not that all men are unsafe or that all men are rapists - it's that there's no way to know who IS dangerous and who ISN'T, so you just have to be careful around everyone. It's not fair, but until we live in a world in which rape is not a common threat to women's (and everyone's, but most rape victims are women) safety, they have to be somewhat distrustful.
Skelepunk:
Psych Major, ho!
Staring is generally seen as a negative act. Most people identify it as aggressive or threatening, or at the least that something is wrong with them.
People go to bars to have a quick drink with friends, karaoke, or to unwind.Yes, many are sketchy, but many others are not.
In my experience, men are way more sensitive than women.
And therefore...
Marten=a bit creepy. Girl committed assault. However, rule of funny would suggest that as a whole, we are overanalysing. But since it is fun to do, and informative to read, whats the harm?
Off note:Burqas, as I understand them, are not intended make someone a non human. Instead, it is a way to get someone to look at a woman as a person first, and not objectify them. I refuse to get into the debate of whether or not this is effective, as my knowledge is limited. But as a piece of interest,apparently many women like wearing the burqa because it makes it easier to run errands(doesn't matter what is underneath) and it helps with bargaining because only the eyes can be seen.
Akima:
--- Quote from: westrim on 14 Feb 2011, 15:09 ---Resistance is futile, just enjoy yourself.
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Cracked.com; as addictive as TV Tropes and better-written too.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: Akima on 14 Feb 2011, 14:41 ---
--- Quote from: Antario on 14 Feb 2011, 04:38 ---Society would be so much more pleasant if people had thickers skins and wouldnt get their panties in a twist every time somebody 'offends' them as offence is always taken, not given
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More pleasant for whom? Certainly more pleasant for those who find it too much trouble to care about other peoples' feelings or self-respect. According to you, when I "took" offense at the truck-driver who called me a "fucking gook" on the street a few weeks ago, the only problem was that I'm thin-skinned? Thank you for your support...
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That's a very different thing from being checked out in a bar, and according to the class I took in Management of Assaultive Behavior it's grounds for immediately adding distance enough to guarantee reaction time. I'd be surprised if that's the kind of thing Antario had in mind.
Beaten by Nuns:
What's up with slapper girl's chin?
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