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Assumptions and Homophobia

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akronnick:
Because they work quicker that way. :wink:




Or so I've been told...  :evil: :angel: :mrgreen:

Dr. ROFLPWN:
There were times I used to wonder why Jeph would come in here drunk.

The past few pages are pretty stellar examples of why.

Is it cold in here?:
(moderator)
On the bright side, people have been keeping it relatively civil.
(/moderator)

westrim:
I'd think they'd be stellar examples of why not to come in here drunk, so he can be rational and ignore all the arguing rather than get worked up about it and start a thread posting random weird stuff like he did during the Doracalypse. Although, I came in rational and still got a bit mixed up in it, so eh  :oops:. I shouldn't have tried to catch up. This isn't too bad really, provided you skim and/or try not to think about the unfortunate implications of some statements.

As for the comic: why would Big Guy be quietly making cloth?  8-) Also, Renee sure is grumpy. (edited)


--- Quote from: berenzen on 22 Feb 2011, 23:25 ---What's under Martin's drink? it's red and somewhat amorphous... actually, I don't think I want to know.

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A coaster...

Akima:

--- Quote from: Fenriswolf on 22 Feb 2011, 14:28 ---We need to de-couple this concept of homophobic/other discriminatory belief=bad person. While they are not good traits, people have unfortunately come to the conclusion that, for example, homophobes are bad people, and I'm not a bad person, so I can't be homophobic. Er, no. We are somewhat socialised to be prejudiced, and recognising that prejudice and making an effort to change is what stops you being a "bad person", not attempting to change the definition of your behaviour.
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--- Quote from: cabbagehut on 22 Feb 2011, 14:46 ---And your second part - QUOTED FOR TRUTH.  Having homophobic beliefs absolutely does not make you a bad person.  You can have all sorts of wonderful qualities and still be a homophobe.  It's still bad and hurtful to be a homophobe, but it doesn't invalidate all the good things about a person.  People are very complex!  You said it much more eloquently than I could, and I guess I just wanted to reinforce it.
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It doesn't seem to me that the messages in these two quotes are the same at all.

Fenris' point, it seems to me, is that people who are prejudiced against homosexuality self-identify as "good people", and so believe that since homophobia is "bad", they as "good people" cannot possibly be homophobic, because nothing that "good people" do can be bad. He goes on to say that recognising ones own prejudice, and making the effort to change is what stops one being a bad person, not changing the definition of bad behaviour to exclude your own.

Cabbagehut's line, by contrast, seems to be that you can be a "good person" while doing bad things, because your wonderful other qualities somehow cancel out the bad. And people are complex.

I am much more in sympathy with Fenris' view, but a crucial problem I believe is that people self-identify as "good people" in the first place, apparently ignoring their actual thoughts, words, and actions.

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