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Radical AC:
Maybe it has something to do with back in high school when guys would form bands to be cool and get laid. I didn't know any girls that tried that approach, but oh man, all my friends. Then some of these people graduate get older and decide, "Hey, maybe there is something to this music thing aside from sex appeal." Presto! An entire generation of male guitar players.
Never saw the issue as much of a thing myself. The majority of my friends for the past ten years have, male or female, been musicians. A disparity in the male:female ratio doesn't necessarily denote a disparity in equality for whatever reason. I'm sure if we really felt like it we could rattle off hundreds of bands of all, or mixed females that haven't been sexualized. Music is too universal to find much of an inequality that you wouldn't find in society at large.
Scandanavian War Machine:
i've never met a person who started a band to get laid, they all genuinely loved music and could actually play it, so they did
then again, this is in Washington, and there seems to be something in the water here that makes people naturally rock or something. i dunno.
actually that's not true, i met some d-bags in arizona who played shitty jug jug metal music so they could get laid, but like i said, they were idiots playing shitty music in America's own little hellscape so i barely even count them as people, let alone legit people.
Elysiana:
Khar - yep, American. I know there are some differences but I've never really gotten into an in-depth discussion about it. What would you say some of the main ones are (at least in relation to the topic... that could become its own thread otherwise)?
In general I think most of the metal I listen to is European-based, but of course most of the bands I've seen live have been American. I'm trying to think if I've noticed a difference in the makeup of the audiences for each. That would be interesting to learn.
ALoveSupreme, that's a valid point that I hadn't considered, and I think I agree with you but only in a limited sense. It really depends on the girl. I know too many girls who like a band because the members are attractive, or who want to be roadies because that sense of celebrity is intriguing, but otherwise they couldn't care less about the music; I also know a considerable number who know at least as much and often more about the music itself and music theory than some of the guys who listen to it, and if they said a certain musician was hot nobody would think less of them.
Conversely, my husband pokes fun at me for using a Devin Townsend wallpaper on my computer because really, the guy is butt-ass ugly but hey, he's an amazing musician so that's actually kinda hot. Same with Mikael Åkerfeldt of Opeth. Of course, he also knows I can run circles around him talking about the actual music. So I guess the question is, does it make me shallow that I think talent in and of itself is sexy and therefore consider an otherwise unattractive musician to suddenly be attractive?
On a related note, why is it that female musicians are expected to be beautiful? It's along the same lines of the disparity on television and in movies - there's often a matchup made between an unattractive male and an attractive female, but they'd never dream of setting it up the other way around. If a guy likes a female musician who is considered unattractive people give him shit about it - "How the hell could you like HER? She's ugly/fat/whatever." But if he likes an attractive female musician, even if she makes shitty music, nobody says a word, or at the worst they just say, "You have terrible taste in music, but yeah, I'd totally hit that."
Radical AC:
The attractive thing is still more of a social topic that could be taken almost completely independent of music itself. It's no surprise that attractive people tend to do better in comparable circumstances than an unattractive person. Looks are also a totally legit reason to be attracted or not to a person, with various social stigmas attached. Likewise talent in itself could be used the same way. What really makes something shallow is judging something or someone based on one facet of what they are. Adversely, I don't really see anything wrong with lustful or shallow thoughts as long as it doesn't effect how you treat someone its harmless, and not bad in itself.
Radical AC:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 28 Feb 2011, 11:48 ---i've never met a person who started a band to get laid, they all genuinely loved music and could actually play it, so they did
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Unless you are Fred Durst doing it specifically for the nookie, it's true you aren't going to find many people getting into music with that sole mission. Though, I'll bet the discussion of those ramifications definitely comes up with most bands in that age group. Or, you must be in an exceptional place where people don't write crappy acoustic or pop-punk love songs for girls, and there is no, "that guy," at the party. If it is the latter I am far too cynical a person and need to get my ass out to Washington.
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