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Elysiana:
Paul, I don't know that you'd have to be biting about it because that's kind of what it seems like most of us are, in some form or another, agreeing upon - that it doesn't make sense to say that someone's music is any better or worse due to looks but a lot of people still apparently think it is. I've heard people say "How can you like person X, they can't sing" and the response is "But he/she is SO hot! How dare you say they can't sing!" Sad but true.
It would be interesting to come up with a band where nobody ever sees the members, doesn't know whether they're male or female, but are excellent musicians (in a technical sense - personal tastes aside, that is), and then have a control group that eventually gets to see who the members are, and another group that is told they are all female, another that is told they are all male, etc. Or show them pics of the group where in one, the members are attractive and in the other they're not, and see if it changes anyone's opinion on the band.
Dovey - True that about the skullet. It's still creepy as fuck when he grins though lol. It's funny, though, how his look has coincided so well with the type of music he's producing. The skullet fit the SYL feel so well; bald is working for the DTP.
I'd never heard of Beth Ditto before (just looked her up though). I'm going to risk sounding like a jerk and guess that it's mostly females that laud her for it, while men mostly ridicule her. Yes/no? The only reason I guess this is that it so often seems to be the case - for example, Camryn Manheim caught a lot of flak from men for being a larger woman, while a lot of women were all "yay girl power" about her. TDW Geek posted a pic of an overweight girl in an anime cosplay costume the other day, and of course there was a huge discussion on whether or not she should have even attempted it. A lot of girls said "you go girl", a lot of guys said "she's disgusting", and a very few guys said the other guys were shallow. Then again, that's the internet and you kind of have to take it with a grain of salt, but I thought it was fairly telling.
Also: the Dixie Chicks and other bands that make music about how awesome girls are. Why is this okay (well, I don't think it is, but a lot of girls apparently do) but if a guy group did it, people would freak out? I feel like this sort of reverse sexism is just as harmful, but it's often overlooked and even revered under the guise of equality.
ALoveSupreme:
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 28 Feb 2011, 16:07 ---Also: the Dixie Chicks and other bands that make music about how awesome girls are. Why is this okay (well, I don't think it is, but a lot of girls apparently do) but if a guy group did it, people would freak out? I feel like this sort of reverse sexism is just as harmful, but it's often overlooked and even revered under the guise of equality.
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This is probably because people who are on the other end of the stick as far as minimization in society goes typically don't need the rub, so to speak. It's sort of the same reason that there are no "straight pride" parades or, as a companion to the Black Entertainment Network, there is no "White Entertainment Network." To suggest something such as a straight pride parade would be quite offensive and most likely typically come from a place of homophobia. There are no specifically named "White Entertainment Networks" because, for the most part, television programming is aimed at a white, middle class viewers and demographics.
edit: Wait I think I totally missed your point, you were saying if a guy group made music about how awesome girls are it would be something people would freak out over?
Akima:
--- Quote from: Allybee on 27 Feb 2011, 07:35 ---I've never seen a band get trashed like this for "not being able to play." ever. sometimes bands get trashed for their attitude or the music that they choose to play, but never for the ability of the musicians. and we have some terrible bands at this school. am I crazy for thinking that it's because they are women? and being pissed off? too much kathleen hanna? do you guys think that men are more critical of women playing music than they would be of other men? I can't figure out why the guy who wrote that comment would specifically identify himself as male (you have the option to identify yourself as a gender or to leave it blank).
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The OP reads a little like someone being surprised that the sea is wet and salty.
Anonymous BBS-style systems attract harsh, possibly unfair comments? Oh say it is not so! I am shocked! One isolated comment isn't enough to build any sort of theory about how men see female musicians in any event. Was this comment typical of the response the band received, or just a random arsehole?
Are guys more critical of women playing music than men? A high proportion of men are more critical of women doing anything than men in the same field. Especially if the field is one that some men feel is "male territory" like technical professions or computer/video games. At least the BBS-poster confined his criticism to the band members' musicianship, rather than launching into the routine slagging of their appearance, chastity, sexual preference etc.
Elysiana:
--- Quote from: ALoveSupreme on 28 Feb 2011, 16:54 ---edit: Wait I think I totally missed your point, you were saying if a guy group made music about how awesome girls are it would be something people would freak out over?
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No, I was saying guys singing about guys being awesome, but that is a good point too! Of course, that pretty much happens a lot already, and already a lot of girls have problems with it. It's like if guys talk about how cool it is to be a guy, girls freak out and say they're chauvinists. And if guys talk about how cool girls are, girls freak out and say they're chauvinists.
ALoveSupreme:
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 28 Feb 2011, 17:04 ---
--- Quote from: ALoveSupreme on 28 Feb 2011, 16:54 ---edit: Wait I think I totally missed your point, you were saying if a guy group made music about how awesome girls are it would be something people would freak out over?
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if guys talk about how cool girls are, girls freak out and say they're chauvinists.
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ha, yes, sort of to Tommy's point.
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