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Allybee:
--- Quote from: Akima on 28 Feb 2011, 16:58 ---Anonymous BBS-style systems attract harsh, possibly unfair comments? Oh say it is ot so! I am shocked! One isolated comment isn't enough to build any sort of theory about how men see female musicians in any event. Was this comment typical of the response the band received, or just a random arsehole?
Are guys more critical of women playing music than men? A high proportion of men are more critical of women doing anything than men in the same field. Especially if the field is one that some men feel is "male territory" like technical professions or computer/video games. At least the BBS-poster confined his criticism to the band members' musicianship, rather than launching into the routine slagging of their appearance, chastity, sexual preference etc.
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comments concern context that would take a long, long time for someone to gather. music on my campus is a boy's club. it is well-established. I don't know why I made a thread about it. speaking to your last sentence, a comment from the same board about the last girl band on campus, a band that no longer plays:
--- Quote ---remember a band made up of a what appeared to be all lesbians. Found the fat bull dyke lead singer to be both scary and satanic when she was making high pitched screeches into the microphone. Why knows maybe thats her dykish feminist mating call. Does anyone have any answers?
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I've decided that I'd rather play guitar than argue in this thread, though, so, whatever.
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: ALoveSupreme on 28 Feb 2011, 16:54 ---or, as a companion to the Black Entertainment Network, there is no "White Entertainment Network."
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I'd say whatever channels play Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy would count as the companion to BET.
KvP, I think you have your ear to the ground so far as music in Fort Collins goes, right? How do people think of Shel? The only people I know that know of them actually know them personally (one of my friends roadied for them in the past).
I didn't know who Beth Ditto was previous to this thread, but fat acceptance pisses me off. Frequently, it isn't just acceptance, it's encouraging people not to even try to change if they get overweight. If people went on the record encouraging anorexics to continue not eating, or bulimics to keep binging and purging? There would be outrage. But people start encouraging people to stay in a state that will likely lead to a heart attack by 50? They are lauded for going against the cultural pressures of attractiveness.
I'm all for someone's right to destroy their own body, but don't encourage others to do the same.
Lummer:
There's also the important thing to note, that Beth Ditto is just using her whole "HEY LOOK IM FAT AND PROUD"-schtick to cover up the fact that her band is stunningly mediocre and superfluous. Ask yourself; would that band ever have gotten anywhere if it weren't for the controversy she drummed up?
KvP:
Beth Ditto has a powerhouse diva voice. If people weren't so freaked out by her fat lesbo "provocation", they'd probably be talking about that.
*e: The scare quotes around "provocation" indicate that people are freaked out by the fact that she's fat and a lesbian, not that she is doing a poor job of provoking people. That would require at least some tacit intent on her part, where I don't think there is any.
ALoveSupreme:
I think my problem with "fat acceptance" is that it more often then not crosses into the "fat advocacy" realm. Maybe this is naive, but wouldn't the idea of "health advocacy" be more realistic than "fat acceptance?"
Because, honestly, your point above was the first time I read something that made the "fat acceptance" movement seem realistic or not just someone being a douchebag about their size and pretty much being an advocate (as you put, which I liked).
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