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Elysiana:
--- Quote from: allison on 01 Mar 2011, 11:54 ---Who the hell are you to say whose business it is to do anything regarding their own appearance? I wear goddamn skinny jeans and they actually look pretty nice. Maybe I don't enjoy another's fashion choices, but I'm not about to tell them they can't wear it. That's just absolutely fucking ridiculous. Maybe they feel sexy in it, maybe they like the way they look. But of course fat people are disgusting and shouldn't be able to feel happy with their appearance! MUUMUUS FOR ALL THE FATTIES! Better yet, just stay inside until you get skinny. Don't make me look at you.
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Good lord, calm down. I'm not at all saying that only 100-lb waifs should wear them, I'm saying that people are taking it overboard. I know several girls our (I'm also a 16) size who look awesome in them. They do NOT look awesome when they're trying to get into a 10. It doesn't make any sense. I would say the same about a 6 trying to get into a 2. It looks silly, like people have no idea what size they are. Personally, I can't get away with them because I have a big ass. I would look like a fool if I tried. Does it bother me to know that I shouldn't wear a particular style because it's unflattering? Hell no.
Jeans - I've also heard people say that someone shouldn't feel like they should lose weight, after they've said they'd like to. I'm inclined to agree with Nodaisho that it may be an American thing. It seems like there isn't much middle ground sometimes. It's either "hey fatty" or "be proud!" but not "Hey, if you want to lose weight, I'll be here for encouragement."
allison:
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 01 Mar 2011, 12:41 ---They do NOT look awesome when they're trying to get into a 10. It doesn't make any sense. I would say the same about a 6 trying to get into a 2. It looks silly, like people have no idea what size they are.
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But it still comes down to you telling another person how they should dress, regardless of their opinion. I disagree with that. You can dislike it, but don't act like the authority.
On the point of fat acceptance/advocacy, it comes down to whether that person has approached you to talk about their weight issues. If my mom or boyfriend or friend or anyone came to me and said, "if you want to lose weight, I'll be there for you" without any prompting on my part, I'd be furious. Sometimes I really get down on myself about the way I look and what I want to hear is "you're not actually a morbidly obese social pariah" as opposed to "well, if you lose weight, I'm behind that".
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: Jeans on 01 Mar 2011, 12:46 ---I don't see how the latter two aren't compatible. The point isn't to be proud that you're fat, the point is that there shouldn't be any negativity attached to being fat in itself - you should be able to be proud of your body regardless of how it looks. If you aren't satisfied with it and want to work out to lose some weight or gain muscle or whatever, that's fine! Good! Super. If someone start eating well and exercising and their friends tell them to stop, the friends totally missed the point of everything ever and should be locked in a basement for several years with only a tea cosy to amuse themselves with.
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The thing is, while that would generally be the idea, that isn't what I have seen from "fat acceptance" people. It's a mis-used term mostly.
Elysiana:
Jeans - ha, yes, and that's kind of what I'm saying (the latter part). And there's even negativity surrounding losing weight sometimes - if I were to tell someone who's got 50lbs on me that I was going to start going to the gym, I'd prepare myself for a possible negative reaction along the lines of "Well I suppose you think I should too then."
Basically you can't win no matter what, because someone will always find something to be offended about. Happens all the time.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: allison on 01 Mar 2011, 11:54 ---I am also a fat woman and I have been fat my whole life!
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You're not fat. You're just a bit chubby, poseur.
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