Topic: Faye and Angus: LTR? (Read 35559 times)

celticgeek · « **Reply #50 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 14:24 »

Wait! Where is the "Waffles for breakfast" option?

Carl-E · « **Reply #51 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 16:13 »

It's there now.

And if waffles is a euphamism for sex, then yes.

celticgeek · « **Reply #52 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 16:20 »

Whatever. It should be a euphemism for something, though.

parvles · « **Reply #53 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 17:08 »

I think the reason for me that Faye and Marten would have (in the past) been a good relationship to me was the tension and then the relief of that tension, and with Sven the relationship worked for me, because even in its dysfunction, there was something passionate about it, and I could see these people being drawn to each other in a realistic, if dramatic, way. I think Faye and Angus seems boring to me, the same way that Dora and Marten seemed to be to me. I definitely do see them being a long term thing, though.

Aside from that, I've never really liked Angus that much as a character, as he also seems rather boring in general. I am just not that invested in him and don't care to see him in the main cast. Regardless, I do think he will be, and I will likely grow to enjoy his character. So far he hasn't done or said anything that particularly endears me to him. In fact where they run into each other at the bar in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=780 he really annoyed me. Angus really, really pushed to be part of Faye's life. I don't know if that is really that attractive a quality. Maybe her initial extreme annoyance and hatred of him is why i feel like their relationship doesn't work, and why others feel some hesitation as well.

Well, cheers to them. Hopefully Faye gets to have a healthy relationship.

Carl-E · « **Reply #54 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 17:31 »

I'd have to say that one of the things that did endear Angus to me was his treatment of Marigold. From the dancing, to the "objective" analysis of her attractiveness, and the respect he showed her by not accepting her advances. Not to mention becoming invested in her Yaoi experience (granted, it was after making fun of it, but that seems to be part of his style, and I think the sarcasm is what hurts his image most).

parvles · « **Reply #55 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 17:38 »

Oh I definitely agree about his treatment of Marigold. Big plus. I guess it's hard for me to change my initial reaction to the character, even though he's been established as a much different kind of person than how he was originally presented.

jwhouk · « **Reply #56 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 17:51 »

I suspect that the sarcasm was a learned behavior. Perhaps all the snark he heard at that "super-fancy prep school" he went to in HS.

Carl-E · « **Reply #57 on:** 03 Feb 2011, 21:03 »

I think the prep school may be one of the things that turned several people off. There's deinitely been an increase in the discrimination against the "preppy" class in the last few years - especially in the media, where they're often depicted as assholes.

Of course, that's because they frequently are. But that's stereotyping...

Sharp · « **Reply #58 on:** 04 Feb 2011, 18:24 »

Well, most stereotypes DO come from the most visible qualities of any given group.

i.e. More Assholes show up in TV than nice people. Some of those Assholes are preps, thus giving an impression that preps are assholes.

BUT, this is not a sociology class so I'll stop myself before I start talking about stuff I have no expertise in. I think that the dislike of Angus comes from a combination of his shakey introduction as an annoyance, sunken ships, and people taking his comments as if this was NOT a comedy comic, where foolish remarks can be forgotten as wuickly as they are said. Also, his backstory is not as interesting as the other characters and he seems to be much closer to an "everyman" than Marten is.

Phatcat29 · « **Reply #59 on:** 07 Feb 2011, 10:06 »

I think, as we saw in their most recent shenanigans, they're not really prepared to go much farther than dipping their toes into the pool to test the water.

It's like my first time, where the expectations were too high, and came crashing down through noone's fault but my own.

And back hair. DAMN YOU BACK HAIR!!!!

tomart · « **Reply #60 on:** 07 Feb 2011, 14:01 »

Quote from: parvles on 03 Feb 2011, 17:08

I think Faye and Angus seems boring to me, the same way that Dora and Marten seemed to be to me. I definitely do see them being a long term thing, though.
Aside from that, I've never really liked Angus that much as a character, as he also seems rather boring in general. I am just not that invested in him and don't care to see him in the main cast. ... So far he hasn't done or said anything that particularly endears me to him.
Well, cheers to them. Hopefully Faye gets to have a healthy relationship.

I've been vaguely annoyed with Angus passing Faye's exam too, but after thinking about his behavior, it's quite close to how mine would appear in the strip, including his treatment of Marigold. The biggest difference is his stubborn persistence in the face of Faye's resistance. (And no prep school.)

Interesting what one can take from QC.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #61 on:** 08 Feb 2011, 12:36 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 03 Feb 2011, 21:03

I think the prep school may be one of the things that turned several people off. There's deinitely been an increase in the discrimination against the "preppy" class in the last few years - especially in the media, where they're often depicted as assholes.

Of course, that's because they frequently are. But that's stereotyping...

After reading this I had to check the meaning of "preppy" from urban dictionary. Ouch. Let's just say that I understand a bit better, why many forumites react negatively to him. Admittedly he annoyed Faye early on, but that was also a defensive mechanism on her part. After all, he did make an impression.

Also, while preppies certainly want to distance themselves from yuppies, social climbers and such, hasn't Angus sorta been climbing down the socio-economic ladder after college? Failed actor? Strawman? Ok. It is a world I know nothing about, so cannot judge. Doesn't match the preppy image (still hazy in my mind, but I think I met a few of those during my stay...).

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #62 on:** 10 Feb 2011, 23:51 »

It looks like there's a core of security in their relationship, judging from the easy joshing in today's strip. This augurs well for their future.

Akima · « **Reply #63 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 00:36 »

Indeed. <--- Classier than posting "This" or "+1"

Antario · « **Reply #64 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 02:47 »

that reminds me...who killed will and penelope?

will we havent seen in months, penelope was last seen in 1716, somebody call the police!

jwhouk · « **Reply #65 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 07:39 »

He's been working late nights at the Horrible Revelation. It's not easy, dealing with a bunch of drunken college co-eds and random people wanting to dress up in old-fashioned clothing and fancy hats.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #66 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 08:44 »

Given his alternatives, what choice did he have but to take the job? And think of how much insight he gets into the (drunken) human condition.

Carl-E · « **Reply #67 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 10:48 »

Poetry on tap.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #68 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 14:49 »

Eh. They're sort of secondary characters though, anyway. They'll show up again when inspiration strikes and Jeph finalises the script for that time travel storyline where it turns out Wil had/is having an affair with himself while (he was) on that road trip.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #69 on:** 11 Feb 2011, 23:56 »

Quote from: Andy147 on 11 Feb 2011, 13:55

Penelope had a brief reappearance in 1832, telling Mrs Reed that Dora was behind the counter.

Will's only appearances to date since he was bitching about his new job were at the party where Marigold found out about Faye & Angus.

But even before that he had sorta settled on the the bartending routine.

Carl-E · « **Reply #70 on:** 12 Feb 2011, 05:10 »

Wil and Penney work different shifts, though - bartending is at best an afternoon through early evening gig, but frequently goes 'till late night. Baristas start early in the morning, run through the late afternoon, into early evening at the latest (I know, in a big city there are 24 hour coffee shops, but this is North Hampton, a fairly small college town, and we have evidence that closing time is early enough for the whole gang to go to a bar...)

My point is that they've probably settled into the working routine of several couples I've known - he gets off in the wee hours, goes home and prepares a nice breakfast (waffles, anyone?). Waking his Penney, they enjoy a meal and some time together before she goes to open the coffee shop and he goes to bed. When he wakes, he has some time to himself, and when she gets off work, before retiring for the evening, she has some time to herself. Days they both have off (carefully scheduled) are a precious commodity, with the afternoon time that they are both awake spent together.

The result? Happiness, and very few people get to see them together. No reason each doesn't hang out some with their old friends during their free time, Wil with Sven in the early afternoon, Pen-pen with a good book in the early evening.

And of course, Wil stops by for some coffee before work, and Penney frequently grabs a drink (and something to eat?) after her shift, each grabbing a kiss before going their separate ways.

Some people claim that limiting the amount of time spent together is the best way to make a relationship last! You don't have the time to get on each other's nerves...

Sharp · « **Reply #71 on:** 15 Feb 2011, 23:50 »

Wow...Carl-E, you have some how written the most literary and touching post I've read in a while. Maybe it's that it feels so real, that you've captured "a day in the life" so well. I dunno, however you did it, good form.

Odal · « **Reply #72 on:** 16 Feb 2011, 04:44 »

I haven't read this whole thread, but I'm almost sure it'd be a awkward breakup with lingering feelings and no one person to blame. It just would become self-evident that it wasn't meant to be. And this would happen JUST as Marten starts to move on, getting into another relationship.

horsefish · « **Reply #73 on:** 16 Feb 2011, 20:01 »

Unfortunately, that sounds entirely plausible.

srsbznss · « **Reply #74 on:** 22 Mar 2011, 22:38 »

Are opinions banned now, too? aren't we speculating?

Whatever. content that may not please your eyeballs has been removed.

jwhouk · « **Reply #75 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 06:33 »

Someday, around strip 3000, they'll break up.

I mean, c'mon, it's a pattern, amirite?

Boomslang · « **Reply #76 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 06:51 »

Quote from: srsbznss on 22 Mar 2011, 22:38

Personally, I'm shocked 'Explosive breakup' only got one vote. Shit, they're happy now, but remember what happened last time? Faye's psychosis could pop up any second. They've progressed so quickly, I'm sure she's having doubts. She's probably... a mix of exhilarated with her ability to carry on a normal relationship with a guy she has romantic interest in, and waiting for the axe to fall in every way. For Angus to sprout some horrific flaw, or herself to shift wrong, crack the illusion and snap in a violent rage of emotional agony and unidentifiable, gooey viscera!

Angus has displayed his faults, and they're really very banal. I give Faye a bit more credit than you do- for me, being cheated on would be a valid reason to end a relationship, as she did with Sven. Regardless of how you may feel about Angus, he's not a trigger for Faye's real issues.

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As for their future, I fully agree that Angus is underdeveloped as a character... and that we haven't seen enough time of them together, assuming we see all of their significant meetings. They don't know each other well enough to have had sex yet (That is my personal opinion only) and I think they'll realize that quickly, as they start to see the smaller things in each other that they may not like.

They're past the point where they're pointing out physical flaws and otherwise mortal emotional drawbacks. They've seen the BIGGER things about each other that they might not like- the smaller things are just that.

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I fully DISAGREE that Jeph is 'pairing off' Faye. He's far too meticulous in his characterizations to do such a thing. Angus sort of popped up after she got her single shred of normalcy and healing CRUSHED, and demanded her attention. His tenacity wasn't easily ignored or avoided, as surprise kiss showed us! She's rushing again. Rushing into sex and putting too much into it... This might be the same sort of thing, but with a lot more weight. If she lets her feelings get involved (Like she tried so hard not to with Sven), this could be devastating.

I think their future hinges on whether Angus will even be aware of her huge insecurity, much less be able to withstand it. I think that issue will crop up before they have TIME to start annoying each other. If not, this could fizzle quickly.

Angus likes Faye for her being a spitfire, and Faye likes him because he tries to give as good as he gets. And they both genuinely like each other.

Seriously, you're starting to sound like a disappointed shipper here. Faye and Angus aren't anywhere near perfect- and that's okay, because it's not a requirement for a healthy, loving relationship.

If you're waiting for the 'other shoe' to drop, despite three pairs falling from the sky already, you'll be waiting without me. Faye isn't a hard woman to love, she just needs someone who NEEDS a challenge in the relationship. And I strongly suspect Angus is really that guy.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #77 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 13:57 »

Quote from: srsbznss on 22 Mar 2011, 22:38

Personally, I'm shocked 'Explosive breakup' only got one vote. Shit, they're happy now, but remember what happened last time? Faye's psychosis could pop up any second. They've progressed so quickly, I'm sure she's having doubts.

I have trouble understanding, why do you think they are progressing quickly? In comparison to Sven&Faye? On the contrary! Faye has been rationing the advances very carefully and taken small steps at a time. Well, since we don't have an exact time scale on the comic, it is hard to tell for sure. I may be wrong here, simply because I first read the Faye & Sven story during my initial archive binge. Faye knows that she needs to be careful. Angus received the Cliff's notes from Marten (sort of) while defeating the Awkward Zone, so he seems to understand at some level, why she needs to take her time.

Then again, it is hardly a secret to any forumite that I am happy to see this particular couple dance. It is nice to see Faye genuinely happy after all the earlier years. I also quite like Angus for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it, though. May it is the role of the awkward jester that I (in vain) attempted to grab in my own circle (still doing battle with my GOM surface)? May be it is just that my wife needed a longish period of persuasion, too? Faye and Angus also seem to match relatively well, but I'm too nerdy to analyze that in detail - several other forumites have done that much more eloquently.

Still too early to tell, whether they are for keeps. Let them enjoy the porridge for now.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #78 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 14:24 »

Yeah, srsbznss, what are you on about? "What happened last time" was that Faye had an almost exclusively physical relationship with a pre-specified end-trigger then followed through when that trigger (almost inevitably) occurred. She felt appropriately hurt/betrayed for a few days (weeks?) then moved on with her life, with pretty much exactly no signs of psychosis (which, BTW, is a specific condition which Faye simply doesn't have) and has even settled into a stable "meh, whatever" semi-distant acquaintanceship with her ex-lover. This is, despite what soap operas would have you believe, a healthy, appropriate reaction.

If anyone went a little crazy over that, it was Sven; he's been semi-depressed and consciously trying to distance himself from the behaviours which led him to screw up what he apparently considers one of the best things that's ever happened to him...

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #79 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 14:24 »

I don't think either one has said "I love you" yet, at least not onscreen.

jwhouk · « **Reply #80 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 17:59 »

No, THAT would be the kiss of death for the relationship.

Just ask Marten.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #81 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:23 »

I thought that would only be the kiss of death if the other person didn't say it back. Unless I'm remembering something else entirely.

Carl-E · « **Reply #82 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:40 »

Unless it's the slightly cutesy "I looooove you..." followed by enough of a pause that the other person is guilt-tripped into saying "I love you, too".

After a while, the reply is given through clenched teeth. That is the true kiss of death...

jwhouk · « **Reply #83 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:41 »

It's only happened once before in the strip.

They broke up 50 strips later.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #84 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:48 »

Are you sure? Because I'm almost positive Dora said it a while ago. Like, several hundred strips.

akronnick · « **Reply #85 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:52 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 23 Mar 2011, 22:41

It's only happened once before in the strip.

They broke up 50 strips later.

Doesn't necessarily mean that it caused the break-up.

But it does give me an excuse to say "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

My favorite logical fallacy of all, partly because it's Latin and fun to say, but mostly because it was the title of the second e[pisode ot The West Wing.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #86 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 22:53 »

Man, if you want good Latin, wait until the second season. Where he basically tells God to go fuck himself...in Latin.

akronnick · « **Reply #87 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 23:00 »

Right before the Ghost of Mrs. Landingham visits him in the Oval Office during a tropical storm and tells him "Don't talk to God like that!"

"Two Cathedrals," one of my favorites!

(I have the entire series on DVD and watch them all at least three times a year.)

Method of Madness · « **Reply #88 on:** 23 Mar 2011, 23:03 »

Nice. I watched the whole series on Netflix my senior year of high school (2005-2006) and haven't watched it since, although I do plan on acquiring them in a couple years, if they're out on Bluray and I have the spare currency.

raoullefere · « **Reply #89 on:** 31 Mar 2011, 22:34 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 23 Mar 2011, 13:57

Still too early to tell, whether they are for keeps. Let them enjoy the ~~porridge~~ pancakes for now.

Fixed that. I mean, where do you think you're posting? We do not sup meagerly with relationship porridge here, but feast upon post-coital pancakes.

I'm fine with Angus and Faye enjoying the pancakes; truly, I feel Faye deserves a lot of extra syrup and real butter just for moving forward as well as she has, both with Angus and otherwise. But I don't think they're long-term, simply because Jeph has not, so far, shown any inclination to write characters capable of long-term relationships. He seems to enjoy planting little relationship-shatterin' time bombs in them. I haven't seen the specific one in Angus and Faye yet, other than the obvious—that Faye, although better, still has problems, and they will manage to interfere with her life and relationship at some point.

Whether said dissolution will occur just as Marten is beginning another relationship is open to spec, but would be… interesting… for us, of course, to dissect. Hellish for the characters, but who cares? It's not like they're real or anything.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #90 on:** 31 Mar 2011, 23:10 »

Their universe isn't real, but they are within it.

Carl-E · « **Reply #91 on:** 31 Mar 2011, 23:16 »

As are we in ours.

I think Angus and Faye can be successful, and that part of Faye's healing will be learning to work through issues that come up. Angus strikes me as an "anything it takes" kind of guy, and has the patience she'll be needing.

Not to say there won't be hijinks ensuing...

Welu · « **Reply #92 on:** 04 Apr 2011, 03:49 »

If Marten hangs with tSB crowd more, bumping into Angus' ex could lead to awkwardness and drama. Not enough to break up but maybe enough to lead to Angus and Faye's first significant fight as a couple. Although it could just end up with laughter and, "How did you manage her for X time you went out?" comments.

I think Angus and Faye if they stay relaxed and keep up this honest and comfortable pace they've set up, they could last a long while.

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