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Johnny C:
i wonder if that argument's a bit specious though, dovey. it certainly strikes me as problematic that one must share x worldview to play y music. even something like straight-edge hardcore has heterogeneity in that regard, since some bands are decidedly more posi about it than others. some bands are christian! i don't see what makes black metal so special, other than its community is like somewhat notoriously curmudgeonly and resistant to basically any kind of change.

i also think it's kind of silly to take off on this guy because he has the audacity to have thought about his music, or to have ideas about what he might be able to accomplish. call me crazy but i think the word for that isn't megalomania, it's ambition. it strikes me as kind of ridiculous to take offense at that.

JD:
Hardcore and punk in general is a bit different because it's driving tenet is that anyone can regardless of talent can contribute to the scene.

JD:
Or as Pg.99 said

Johnny C:

--- Quote from: JD on 06 Apr 2011, 20:52 ---Hardcore and punk in general is a bit different because it's driving tenet is that anyone can regardless of talent can contribute to the scene.

--- End quote ---

sure but that's why i localized it down to straight-edge hardcore, which in terms of having 1) extremely obvious stylistic markers and 2) an intense and tight-knit and frankly fairly insular community shares some elements with black metal. plus you have to be straight-edge, which like right off the bat even makes it more clearly ideologically defined than black metal. but there are different ideologies behind being straight-edge, is my point, and so even within that way more rigid guideline you won't see people knocking bands for not being "posi" enough or whatever, not at least without getting called out seriously. with black metal, and in this thread, that's reversed, and like i honestly can't think of another similar community so i can't think of anywhere else that happens. sorry, black metal music! you don't get or really honestly deserve special treatment in that regard. anyone can play you. they just have to not suck.

Johnny C:
and i mean jd if we want to broaden it out to all of punk and hardcore then black metal loses there again because you won't find anyone saying that people "aren't a real hardcore band" if they're posi and don't hate the government and punk is like ridiculously broad along the ideological spectrum! the point is that anyone can play whatever music they want and if they have a different worldview than the conservative old guard then who cares whatever those guys are gonna eventually wind up on the losing side of history as being the guys who were resistant to change.

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