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LITURGY is fixing heavy metal, and there's nothing you can do to stop them

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KvP:

--- Quote from: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 20:50 ---i also think it's kind of silly to take off on this guy because he has the audacity to have thought about his music, or to have ideas about what he might be able to accomplish. call me crazy but i think the word for that isn't megalomania, it's ambition. it strikes me as kind of ridiculous to take offense at that.

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It's mainly the combination of the fact that (as Dovey pointed out) the aural elements of the band are not particularly revolutionary, and the fact that he'll write a fuckin' manifesto about the Classical significance of his music and will spout off about it at a moment's notice, but refuse to actually engage in any sort of dialog about it, saying "I’m not so interested in defending anything I say, I only like to be judged on whether it’s interesting or not." I don't care how "ambitious" he is, he's got the attitude of a monumentally precocious teenager (and one hopes will grow out of such nonsense, but the adulation he's getting may well delay it). You've been in a few philosophy classes, you remember that one guy who would always argue incoherently with the prof in the middle of class over some tangent and get defensive when called out? Well, that guy has a band now, and he wants to tell you all about how his music perfectly evokes what America means. He's written a manifesto! He's an important thinker! We have to take him seriously!

Plus from where I'm sitting it seems like this guy isn't trying to claim that he's making Black Metal, he's claiming to be improving Black Metal. He's salvaging it. He's inviting shit in that respect. The Black Metal tag is obvs beneath Liturgy. Hence the "transcendent metal" part. If you want to call that ambition, go ahead. I'll call it amazing, amazing hubris, and I'll root for the kid to get his comeuppance.

JimmyJazz:
I mean c'mon, he calls his music "transcendental black metal" which is the most megalomaniacal genre-name I've ever heard

KvP:
See, but does it black metal that is transcendental, or is it metal that transcends black? (You get what I mean there)

Ugh I need to be writing this paper but this guy is just too juicy a target

JD:

--- Quote from: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 21:03 ---and i mean jd if we want to broaden it out to all of punk and hardcore then black metal loses there again because you won't find anyone saying that people "aren't a real hardcore band" if they're posi and don't hate the government and punk is like ridiculously broad along the ideological spectrum! the point is that anyone can play whatever music they want and if they have a different worldview than the conservative old guard then who cares whatever those guys are gonna eventually wind up on the losing side of history as being the guys who were resistant to change.

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Well if you're thinking about 70s or 80s hardcore you may have a point but punk's broadened a bit since the 90s. I don't know if it's the same for black metal since I don't listen to much metal pre 90s.

JD:

--- Quote from: JimmyJazz on 06 Apr 2011, 21:17 ---I mean c'mon, he calls his music "transcendental black metal" which is the most megalomaniacal genre-name I've ever heard

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One of the links Kveep posted called it metallic math rock which I think is a much better descriptor.

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