Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 25-29 Apr 2011 (1911-1915)
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 07:42 ---That is a pretty meaningless stance to take, pwhodges. Also wrong, since humanity in general is not an infinite array of unique snowflakes. Even the most varied theory on personality characteristics had only 4,000 variables while modern takes on the same theory have taken it down to 16 or even as low as 5 (though the stipulations within each variable became more complex).
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That sounds an extraordinary claim. In any case, I was merely wanting to point out that you cannot simply say that "Marten shouldn't be involving Faye at all"; many people would disagree with you over whether it is necessarily inappropriate. You seem to define the acceptable world in terms of (what I presume are) your reactions to situations without being prepared to countenance others.
--- Quote ---Not really, the only variables to consider are the dimensions of the couch vs. the dimensions of the turns you have to take in the stairwell and how to best manipulate the orientation of one while traveling through the other. It really isn't that difficult to do
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You may think that way, and I may agree; but observation shows that many people simply cannot think in this manner.
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 07:42 ---
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Apr 2011, 07:16 ---Odin, you state several opinions about people's actual or expected behaviour as if they are absolutes; they are not, as human behaviour is pretty much infinitely variable.
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That is a pretty meaningless stance to take, pwhodges. Also wrong, since humanity in general is not an infinite array of unique snowflakes. Even the most varied theory on personality characteristics had only 4,000 variables while modern takes on the same theory have taken it down to 16 or even as low as 5 (though the stipulations within each variable became more complex).
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Odin, are you familiar with chaos theory? Even with only two or three variables, some systems become completely unpredictable! And again, you're stating that someone's opinion is wrong, a statement of absolutes. You really seem to prefer them, which makes you a hard pill to swallow at times...
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--- Quote ---And the ability of people to visualise the movements necessary to get a couch round a tricky bend is also highly variable (and shows no correlation with intelligence - whatever that is anyway - in my experience).
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Not really, the only variables to consider are the dimensions of the couch vs. the dimensions of the turns you have to take in the stairwell and how to best manipulate the orientation of one while traveling through the other. It really isn't that difficult to do and that was the entire point (though I was taking the opportunity to disparage the characters in a completely different direction than the person I was quoting).
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Doesn't mean some people don't have trouble with it. 3-D visualization is not a universal skill.
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--- Quote ---The wiki is nothing whatever to do with Jeph.
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Pretty much my point (can't use it as a reliable source for answering comic-related questions, especially given how easily wikis are vandalized/altered).
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Take a look, it's very well done and well documented. You may even be able to contribute something, like the tweet info you cited.
Wait, maybe you shouldn't. You seem the type to mess with a wiki just for the halibut. :angel:
SirDudley:
Well, today's comic is a nice breather.
I too know how hard it is to move a couch. A few years ago, I had to help my mom take a couch of hers to get restored (since the restorer did not have a pickup service). The restorer was several blocks away and sweet Jesus, was the couch HEAVY AS HELL. We were cursing at each other about every other corner, and by God did my arms hurt afterwards.
So yeah, Sven and Faye have every right to complain about the couch being heavy. Although, to be fair to Dora, she is handling her side on her own while her helpers are bitching. I guess there's a bit of a balance there. I do recommend that Sven and Faye do not drop the couch on Dora. Because Dora will more than likely unleash the Four Horsemen on their asses. At minimum.
Odin:
--- Quote from: WaffleIron on 27 Apr 2011, 08:00 ---But if you're facing forward you lean in to the couch and can see it as it is pulled away. If you are facing backwards and the couch is pulled away you are going to fall.
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There is this constant force called Gravity, see. You may have heard of it, and that is the force that will prevent this from happening if you are the putz on the heavy end of the couch trying to go up stairs.
--- Quote ---But he's not using Faye as a go between. There are no sides; Marten and Dora are not fighting. Faye was just a convenient point of contact since she was about to go see Dora.
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Marten and Dora aren't currently fighting because they have had no contact since the breakup, which was a pretty rough and hostile one due to Dora's "Fuck you I don't have to take this, I'm out!" when Marten was getting sick of never standing up for himself in an argument.
--- Quote ---And the weight/distribution. Those couches aren't made of air (and if they were I'd suggest deflating them first.)
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If it's light enough for Dora to take the heavy end going up the stairs, it really isn't that bad.
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Apr 2011, 08:06 ---That sounds an extraordinary claim.
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The progression is outlined briefly on Helping Psychology.com on one of their pages talking about personality trait theory, this isn't really that extraordinary a claim to make.
--- Quote ---In any case, I was merely wanting to point out that you cannot simply say that "Marten shouldn't be involving Faye at all"; many people would disagree with you over whether it is necessarily inappropriate.
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Argumentum ad populum is almost always wrong, you should know this.
--- Quote ---You seem to define the acceptable world in terms of (what I presume are) your reactions to situations without being prepared to countenance others.
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Why should I countenance reactions that I've observed as always leading to worsening a given situation as being good and valid reactions to a given situation?
Like, in this case, asking a friend to relay a message to an ex after a particularly nasty breakup where the friend doing the asking was also a bit of a drunken asshole to the person they're asking a favor of not long after the breakup. Is Faye not allowed to still be aggravated about it or (as I've interpreted how she acts around Marten in the comic) nowhere near as close a friend as she used to be after that? Is she not allowed to make that decision with regard to how she treats Marten?
--- Quote ---You may think that way, and I may agree; but observation shows that many people simply cannot think in this manner.
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That is irrelevant, since we were talking about whether or not it required actual intelligence to do and not perspective.
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 27 Apr 2011, 08:12 ---
Odin, are you familiar with chaos theory? Even with only two or three variables, some systems become completely unpredictable! And again, you're stating that someone's opinion is wrong, a statement of absolutes. You really seem to prefer them, which makes you a hard pill to swallow at times...
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Chaos theory doesn't say that systems become completely unpredictable, just that we're very bad at tracking all of the required variables at the precision required for some chaotic systems (never mind that the shorthand Crichton used in certain popular novels was wrong, but don't get me started on that).
--- Quote ---Doesn't mean some people don't have trouble with it. 3-D visualization is not a universal skill.
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Granted, but it isn't all that difficult to figure out that there should be two people at the heavy end of the couch when you're coming up on a corner in a stairwell (so that they can support the weight while the person at the light end lifts their end of the couch higher so the required turning radius to get the couch around the corner gets smaller).
WaffleIron:
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 08:32 ---There is this constant force called Gravity, see. You may have heard of it, and that is the force that will prevent this from happening if you are the putz on the heavy end of the couch trying to go up stairs.
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No, see you have that backwards. Gravity is precisely the force that will make you fall over. (It really depends on how much pushing you do vs. how much pulling the other end does.)
And what is this heavy end of which you speak? Last I checked most couches were symmetrical.
--- Quote ---Marten and Dora aren't currently fighting because they have had no contact since the breakup, which was a pretty rough and hostile one due to Dora's "Fuck you I don't have to take this, I'm out!" when Marten was getting sick of never standing up for himself in an argument.
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And there's no sign that either currently harbours ill thoughts towards the other. Not that they actually know that since there hasn't been any contact. Regardless, Marten wasn't using Faye to keep at a distance from Dora; quite the opposite in fact.
--- Quote ---If it's light enough for Dora to take the heavy end going up the stairs, it really isn't that bad.
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To pick straight up from the ends maybe. But when you have to twist and turn it, and confined space means you can't get to the ideal leverage points, even a modest weight can become difficult to handle.
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