Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 25-29 Apr 2011 (1911-1915)
Odin:
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--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 05:43 ---Either way, none of the people involved are all that educated. Has QC even bothered covering the educational background of Dora and Sven? Dora doesn't have to have a degree to own a coffee shop and Faye is a damn barista that does not attend college in her off time working on any sort of degree, so she is not educated either. And Sven, well, he maybe has a degree in music production/theory or something since he has people trying to intern with him, but that isn't exactly applicable to moving furniture.
As for intelligence, well, the antics up until now in the comics should discredit that notion far enough that today's fucking around trying to move a couch wouldn't be that huge a departure from the norm.
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The QC wiki lists the educational background of all three characters.
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Is the Wiki maintained by Jeph or by third-party internet readers of the comic?
--- Quote from: WaffleIron on 27 Apr 2011, 06:34 ---
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 05:43 ---Were they trying to go up the stairs or down the stairs?
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I still haven't figured that out. Up makes more sense since they're stuck on the corner and if they were going down they'd be past it already. But Why would Dora be going backwards from the rear end?
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Depends on how it's easier for someone to lift something like that. Since Dora is on the heavy end of the couch, she may be relying on her leg strength and using her back to support the weight of the couch. That stance also makes it easier to brace against the couch falling on her than if she is facing into it (if the couch were to suddenly drop, she could crouch with it and not be pushed over backwards and crushed beneath it down a flight of stairs).
--- Quote ---I didn't know the timeline, but it sure feels like they were dating longer than that and broke up more recently than that. In any case, everyone is different. I do not think that 2 months equals fucked up territory.
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There is a lot of dispute over the timeline (arguments over the starting point being either when Marten hangs out with Dora without Faye around or when they actually date/start fucking, etc.), but the point I was going for is that the relationship moved into "Let's live together!" territory way too fast and the breakup also being pretty soon should mean the relationship shouldn't take that long to get over. Unless it is literally Marten's second "real" relationship.
It should literally be more along the lines of Marten thinking "Damn, what the hell was I thinking moving that fast in a relationship" not "Hey, is she boning other dudes already?".
--- Quote ---Why not? Faye's his friend. Fayes Dora's friend. This isn't some bitter spat, he's just wanting to know that Dora's doing OK.
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Because friends don't use each other as go-betweens during post-breakup recovery time outside of high school. It invites needless drama and stinks of asking mutual friends to "choose sides" post-breakup.
--- Quote ---Once again, because she's their friend, and she presumably knows that Dora would be interested.
What exactly do friends do if not get involved in each others lives?
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See above.
The Seldom Killer:
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 06:50 ---Is the Wiki maintained by Jeph or by third-party internet readers of the comic?
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I would guess that it's maintained by third-party internet readers of the comic. However, as each fact in the relevant sections are linked directly to the canonical articles that confirm them I don't really see why you're asking the question? Unless you're doubting the author's own provenance?
pwhodges:
Odin, you state several opinions about people's actual or expected behaviour as if they are absolutes; they are not, as human behaviour is pretty much infinitely variable. And the ability of people to visualise the movements necessary to get a couch round a tricky bend is also highly variable (and shows no correlation with intelligence - whatever that is anyway - in my experience).
Also, the comic timeline is not merely unknown, but not even clearly defined in Jeph's own mind; I seem to recall that some considerable while ago he remarked that the comic had run for something between six months and two years.
The wiki is nothing whatever to do with Jeph.
Odin:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 27 Apr 2011, 07:16 ---Odin, you state several opinions about people's actual or expected behaviour as if they are absolutes; they are not, as human behaviour is pretty much infinitely variable.
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That is a pretty meaningless stance to take, pwhodges. Also wrong, since humanity in general is not an infinite array of unique snowflakes. Even the most varied theory on personality characteristics had only 4,000 variables while modern takes on the same theory have taken it down to 16 or even as low as 5 (though the stipulations within each variable became more complex).
--- Quote ---And the ability of people to visualise the movements necessary to get a couch round a tricky bend is also highly variable (and shows no correlation with intelligence - whatever that is anyway - in my experience).
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Not really, the only variables to consider are the dimensions of the couch vs. the dimensions of the turns you have to take in the stairwell and how to best manipulate the orientation of one while traveling through the other. It really isn't that difficult to do and that was the entire point (though I was taking the opportunity to disparage the characters in a completely different direction than the person I was quoting).
--- Quote ---Also, the comic timeline is not merely unknown, but not even clearly defined in Jeph's own mind; I seem to recall that some considerable while ago he remarked that the comic had run for something between six months and two years.
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When we had the discussion at the time of the breakup, somebody quoted Jeph as having tweeted that the relationship had been between six to eight months from first-meeting to breakup.
--- Quote ---The wiki is nothing whatever to do with Jeph.
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Pretty much my point (can't use it as a reliable source for answering comic-related questions, especially given how easily wikis are vandalized/altered).
WaffleIron:
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 06:50 ---Depends on how it's easier for someone to lift something like that. Since Dora is on the heavy end of the couch, she may be relying on her leg strength and using her back to support the weight of the couch. That stance also makes it easier to brace against the couch falling on her than if she is facing into it (if the couch were to suddenly drop, she could crouch with it and not be pushed over backwards and crushed beneath it down a flight of stairs).
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But if you're facing forward you lean in to the couch and can see it as it is pulled away. If you are facing backwards and the couch is pulled away you are going to fall.
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 06:50 ---Because friends don't use each other as go-betweens during post-breakup recovery time outside of high school. It invites needless drama and stinks of asking mutual friends to "choose sides" post-breakup.
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But he's not using Faye as a go between. There are no sides; Marten and Dora are not fighting. Faye was just a convenient point of contact since she was about to go see Dora.
--- Quote from: Odin on 27 Apr 2011, 07:42 ---Not really, the only variables to consider are the dimensions of the couch vs. the dimensions of the turns you have to take in the stairwell and how to best manipulate the orientation of one while traveling through the other. It really isn't that difficult to do and that was the entire point (though I was taking the opportunity to disparage the characters in a completely different direction than the person I was quoting).
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And the weight/distribution. Those couches aren't made of air (and if they were I'd suggest deflating them first.)
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