Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 25-29 Apr 2011 (1911-1915)
Armadillo:
So, to sum up: because people have been treated differently based on various characteristics for decades, the answer is to treat people differently based on various characteristics, JUST THE OTHER WAY.
I'm not sure how that's supposed to help the cause of equality and harmony, but what do I know?
Delirium:
--- Quote from: LoveJaneAusten on 30 Apr 2011, 18:42 ---
That's a pretty obtuse viewpoint, since it ignores basically all the characterization of Tai so far.
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no, it just means Tai is more comfortable with nudity, so it's perfectly in-character.
Tergon:
Rather than do another quote-wall, I'll simply lay this out straight.
Jane, while I appreciate that you think I'm close to a "higher understanding" - I wasn't personally aware that disagreeing with you meant that I suffered from a worse perspective on the universe, but there it is - I must agree that I'm not quite there. Perhaps my confusion stems from your own admission that things involving other characters happened before you started reading - implying you've not read QC and thus don't quite understand a lot about Tai, or how the other characters interact with her? If so I might suggest that you browse the archives. They're hefty, I admit, but if you like QC then they are worth the time to read. It would certainly help you explain your viewpoint on the comic if you've read it first.
We agree on so many areas here, though. We agree that Jeph almost certainly didn't mean to write Tai in a negative stereotype. We agree that within the context of the QC story, Tai is not seen as a negative character; though she does occasionally make the others feel awkward, she's popular with the main cast. We even agree that she does adhere in many ways to the Lesbian Horndog stereotype. And yet this "higher understanding" eludes me still! But I think I've cottoned onto why. Since the beginnings of the discussion, you've maintained that Tai being an enthusiastically sexual character is negative. You've said that this is bad because of the existing stereotype that lesbians are sex-crazed individuals.
Now while I do not agree that Tai falls into the category of sex-crazed, I'll let that pass for the sake of pushing one question that you've avoided. You've simply hand-waved it by saying that you "can't really explain if I don't get it". Or that it's a "negative stereotype in society". But my lack of understanding here is what, I think, holds me back from your higher understanding. So assume I'm an idiot, assume I'm naive and oblivious, take whatever liberties with my intelligence you need to. But I'm asking you, please: Explain why Tai enjoying sex is a negative thing.
Dust:
--- Quote from: LoveJaneAusten on 30 Apr 2011, 12:19 ---
--- Quote from: Dust on 30 Apr 2011, 02:14 ---I could have been clearer, I meant stereotypes are only persistant when people are conscious of them. Whether using them or arguing against. I've only known (for certain) two lesbians, and they are pretty much polar opposites, so I guess I don't have any expectations for lesbians as a "whole". Well, apart from the defining trait.
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That’s wrong, though. Stereotypes persist regardless of whether or not you’re conscious of them; in fact, that they are often subtle and unrecognized is one of their prime dangers. Just look at pwhodges; he was unaware of the “lesbians recruiting straight women” stereotype until this thread. And yet the stereotype existed before that.
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She has a tatto, does that bring the old "only criminals have tattoos" stereotype into play? Are the left-handed characters involved in Satan worship, since that was a Medieval stereotype?
snubnose:
I find Tai completely believable and consistent as a character.
She's a pure lesbian and not into men at all. And she would like to have a relationship with a woman, but she just cant get any. Obviously she's actually very frustrated in that area, even if, thanks to her cheerful character, she doesnt show it much.
Also, she's highly attracted to Faye and her breasts and would absolutely love to see them. Sadly Faye isnt into women at all, so Tai stands no chance in hell to have any success with Faye in this respect.
So when she sees Dora, who is comfortable around women, undressing so carelessly, she's inspired to attempt to undress Faye in a joking way.
Personally I found this move highly amusing and completely understandable, as was Faye's reaction, as Faye knows all this too and doesnt want to follow through.
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