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[pwhodges]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/sony-admits-utter-psn-failure-your-personal-data-has-been-stolen.ars

"Sony is still unsure about whether your credit card data is safe"

[JD]

I posted this in the pointless thread but I think it pertains to the topic

[Blyss]

For them to act like they have no idea how it happened, is expected.

But to act like they have no idea how to fix it...  is just ridiculous.

 

[SirDudley]

As some people I know have said, the moment Sony reveals that credit card information was stolen, if the forum will excuse my French......the shit will hit the fan at fucking ludicrous speed.

Believe me, people are watching Sony like a hawk and waiting to see just how bad this can spiral downwards.

[Odin]

They're going to fight it in the UK, but here in the US you're screwed.

It has emerged that part of Sony's PSN terms and conditions claim that the company is not liable for any loss of user data.

"We exclude all liability for loss of data or unauthorised access to your data, Sony Online Network account or Sony Online Network wallet and for damage caused to your software or hardware as a result of using or accessing Sony Online Network," the terms state.

From here.

And this isn't entirely cut and dry with enforceability in the US, either, considering ProCD_v._Zeidenberg

[LTK]

At least in some countries Sony can still be held accountable. Just because they put it in the terms of conditions doesn't mean that excuses them from the laws that are in effect regarding credit card data protection.

[Blue Kitty]

The thing I enjoy most about this is Gawker's ability to call them on this

[est]

I gather that it's akin to a sign stating that the store will not perform any kind of refund or exchange.  Sure, you can put it there if you want.  Doesn't mean shit when the law clearly states that the store has to give refunds or exchange items under certain circumstances.

[Odin]

It's a shitty thing, but clearly the best way to counter this on the consumer level is for everyone to submit Fraud Alerts with Experian (Click here, then click "Add an Initial Security Alert"), who will then alert the other Credit reporting agencies, then request new cards with new numbers from whichever credit card company they used with their PSN account.

Whether to ever use PSN again is up to everyone else, but I used Bank of America's ShopSafe program anyway (bank issues a "fake" credit card number, expiration and spending limit for you to associate with a vendor, you don't have to worry about this type of fraud) so I'm good.

[Gaelbert]

I heard a rumour that Interpol is taking over the investigation of this now. If Paul Banks catches who did this, they'll be locked away for a long, long time.

[Blyss]

PSN-Hackers-Now-Selling-2-2-Million-Stolen-Credit-Card-Numers

So.  Now what Sony?
 

[pwhodges]

I used Bank of America's ShopSafe program anyway (bank issues a "fake" credit card number, expiration and spending limit for you to associate with a vendor, you don't have to worry about this type of fraud)

I've never heard of such a scheme - it seems a really good idea, rather like the way I use a different password on every site.  Maybe I should start agitating my banks for something similar.

[SirDudley]

http://kotaku.com/5803050

Sony cannot seem to catch a break.

[LTK]

Oh man, that is ironic. You'd think they wouldn't make the same mistake twice, but apparently not...

[Blyss]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE!  Really Sony?!
 

[Jimor]

I'm not on PSN, but shortly after the initial news, I got an e-mail from Sony Online Entertainment, since I used to have an account there for Asheron's Call 2 way back before Turbine took control back of billing from Sony. The SOE database was also hacked as part of the security breach, and while it might be a coincidence, a few days ago I received a spam e-mail that had my full name and street address inside. 

[Tiogyr]

16 hacks later on the Sony networks around the world and yesterday morning my PS3 YLoD-ed again.

I fixed it last time by reflowing the GPU (and replaced the internal fan with a new one that had more blades), but once you do that kind of repair if it fails again you're pretty much SOL because the integrity of the reflow degrades every time you do it.

...I don't know if I'm even going to bother fixing it again at this point. I hadn't played anything on it since the PSN breach happened, so I obviously don't play games as much as I used to (just wanted to get a bit more Red Dead Redemption going).