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Why does Dora need therapy?
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jun 2011, 13:34 ---But does anyone else suspect that Dora realized she needed therapy and used Faye's threats to overcome her own fear of starting the process? In other words, the Pugnacious Peach Pressure gave Dora the opportunity to start the therapy she wanted without first overcoming the hurdle of having to admit to herself that she needed it.
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huh, I hadn't considered that before, but it makes sense.
I think Sven would be a good candidate for helping Dora realize that she needs therapy. She's known him the longest (obviously!) he has the most backstory for her, and he has enough of an outsiders perspective that she just might listen to him.
DSL:
My apologies (translation: "Busted!") to Tender for the "um, exact" dig. I was assuming it was your sarcastic paraphrase of Marten when it was Dora's -- which, of course, makes it an exact quote from the comic.
I still like all the other stuff I said, though. ...
Elysiana:
TRVA - that first comic you linked to suggest that Marten has been an ass sometimes was just them putting on a show to get the VespAvenger to follow them. Otherwise, excellent list and very telling as far as what's happened so far between M/D.
I sometimes wonder if there's some confusion over what a therapist does. So many people think that one only goes to a therapist because something is "wrong" with them when really that's often not the case. Stoutfiles, you mentioned that "She still goes to work, she doesn't alienate her friends, etc. She's not crying all day at work...she looks to be doing just fine given she just had a big breakup not too long ago." - but there are many other things that can happen that mean someone should look into therapy. I think you're confusing "needing therapy" with "having depression".
You say that Faye shouldn't be handing out advice to Dora... and you say Dora doesn't need advice from a therapist... but it's obvious that she's still got issues she can't handle on her own, so where do YOU think she should start? Therapy is a good way to address issues that you don't even know you have. When you know there's something you can't get over, but you don't know how to express it or what it is about it that upsets you.
For example, in Dora's first meeting with the therapist, she talked for an hour about Sven, then couldn't understand why the therapist didn't talk about her relationships. She has absolutely no idea where her insecurities are stemming from, even though that was an obvious clue to those of us watching from the outside. She's sabotaged her relationship with Marten several times, and he was pretty damn patient with her. That's not to say he hasn't done anything wrong at all, but her attitude has been one of mistrust for a very long time, with no reason to be mistrustful. There's some pretty deep-seated problems there - even Sven pointed that out - and she's not going to work them out on her own, or she would have by now.
Even a couple sessions with a therapist can really change your outlook on things and get you started down the right path. Sometimes it takes an unbiased person who knows the right questions to get you to look at things from a different perspective.
So I do have another question for you, stoutfiles - even if she doesn't need it, what could it hurt?
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 13 Jun 2011, 13:52 ---TRVA - that first comic you linked to suggest that Marten has been an ass sometimes was just them putting on a show to get the VespAvenger to follow them. Otherwise, excellent list and very telling as far as what's happened so far between M/D.
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haha, no, I'm aware of the context of that link, it was meant to highlight where Marten was laying it on too thick. Its one of the few times I could fine where he acted without regard to Dora's feelings. (without being pushed to the brink of impulsive anger by Dora first)
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 13:19 ---
--- Quote from: stoutfiles ---That would be every comic where she and Marten fought and/or disagreed. Im not going through the strip history to find them. The relationship wasn't perfect to begin with, Dora didn't sink it all by herself.
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So you refuse to back up your argument while others have gone to the effort to back their own reasons for believing that Dora should see a therapist.
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I'm not going to catalog every argument they had to prove a point to someone who's mind is already made up. Sorry.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 13:19 ---Except that your opinions have ignored other, valid points. You've ignored people who have spoken from personal experience. You admit that Dora has made bad relationship choices, but refuse to believe that there is something wrong when she keeps making the same mistakes. Einstein once said that “Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. Dora isn’t insane, but she still repeating the past mistakes. She hasn’t learned from any of those mistakes and she is doomed to repeat them.
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They are her wrong choices to make. Dora's a big girl, if she wants to go to therapy she can. If not, she doesn't have to. She especially doesn't need to hear it from Faye at work, uncalled for.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 13:19 ---So Faye can’t be concerned for her best friend? Or that she could see that Dora was beginning to twist events so that Marten was the villain in their break up? As someone mentioned earlier, Dora is acting like an alcoholic who has been dry for two months and thinks that’s it, so its time to celebrate with a tumbler of whiskey. Faye has experience, Dora has arrogance, which would you be more concerned about?
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For being best friends, they sure don't get along that much! I'd be more concerned if Dora consoled Faye on any decision she made because of all her experience. "Sorry Jim, but Faye says I can't date you."
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 13:19 ---I do believe that she does need therapy, and that she does help to realise that she is on a self-destructive path. Her friends are too close for Dora to take them seriously or to believe them. A therapist just offers an outside perspective, and a trusted means of pointing things out.
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What horrible things will happen to Dora if she doesn't get help? Will she be alone forever?
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 13 Jun 2011, 13:52 ---So I do have another question for you, stoutfiles - even if she doesn't need it, what could it hurt?
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If Dora wants to go to therapy, then more power to her! I want it to be her decision, and not Faye pressuring her.
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