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Why does Dora need therapy?
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 13 Jun 2011, 16:40 ---You know something? I just realized a point in favor of those who wonder if Dora's distracted:
No specials.
Go ahead, look back. It's all the way back at 1907, which was the day that Marten finally "re-entered" CoD, only to discover Dora wasn't there (because she was moving). That was the last time we saw any specials on the chalkboard.
Now, you could argue that they had the bean issue later on, but there was nothing on the board back in 1945, when Tai came in to the shop at least a day or two after the bean issue had been resolved.
She's distracted. Either that or she forgot to get chalk.
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Possible, though that could just be more either the creator of the universe forgetting to put it up or them being too busy selling the delicious delicious pastries to do any specials.
Spectreofwar:
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 15:13 ---I'm not going to catalog every argument they had to prove a point to someone who's mind is already made up. Sorry.
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Okay, as entertaining as this thread has been so far(?), I have to pipe up and call bullshit on this one.
OP, you've taken a particularly pro-Dora stance from the get-go, and after NUMEROUS eloquent, factual and referenced counters were made your next most significant input was to bash Faye for attempting to "drag Dora down."
You advocated that Dora ought to be allowed to be "controlling." Do those being "controlled" have anything to say about that, I wonder? And if being controlling is just fine, how is it that suggesting a path to pursue is so unworthy of a friendship? Oh, but Faye's insistence on her going to therapy (with the threat of physical harm) could be controlling...
You've suggested that Dora was too good for Marten, when in fact she has openly admitted that she has issues and throughout the comic strip has irrationally sabotaged her relationship.
Moreover, you've made wide assumptions based on far-reaching ideas that have no basis in the comic as a means to justify what Dora could be doing. Well-wishing for anyone is all fine and good (even if the character is fictitious), but within reason - and wholly useless in the context of the question "Why does Dora need therapy?" (as opposed to, say, "Dora's future: what will happen now?")
I fail to see any point to your "arguments," other than to paint Dora in as best a light as possible.
I'm not sure if it's because you see yourself in Dora somewhat (which is possible), nor do I know if you have any experience with how you see her life as having progressed, either by having an (ex) boyfriend like Marten or what-have-you. At this point, however, as someone who has read this thread from top to bottom, you're doing a disservice to the people that took you up on intelligent discussion. What you've stated is little more than an opinion, and a biased one at that; so why even ask this question if you have no interest in actually getting an *answer*?
This just looks like trolling from here on out to me.
justanotherbrick:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jun 2011, 16:10 ---I think I see the point here:
Friendly if firm advice: Marten to Faye, "Just go on a date with him[Angus]"
Disrespectful and arrogant meddling: "I can't believe you're going on a DATE with that creeper"
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Hey all, casual lurker, occasional poster here. :-)
When Hannelore wanted to go on a casual, non-date with Sven, Dora's exact words were "you picked literally the WORST POSSIBLE GUY to do it with" (words about her own brother - nice, hey?) Then, when poor Hannelore backed off (after it took her considerable bravery to get over her fears and ask Sven) Dora said "it's against my better judgement...but you can go". This really irritated me at the time, because why does Hannelore need Dora's permission to go on a date with Sven? I couldn't believe that Dora had the gall to "give Hanners permission" to go on a date...as if she had anything to do with it to begin with.
My point is that Dora is, (in my very humble opinion) by FAR the most meddling/sticks-her-nose-where-it-doesn't-belong-character in the strip. In this case, Faye is expressing her trepidation towards Dora going on a date at all, let alone a date with a guy who seems to have residual anger issues towards his ex-wife and lawyer, not meddling. I would want my friends to tell me if they thought a guy was a creeper too...it shows that they care. Besides, my mom always taught me to trust your gut, and Faye's guy feeling is that this guy is a "creeper" (I sort of agree with her, to be honest).
So, in my opinion:
Friendly, but firm advice: "I thought you were gonna try and work out some of your issues..."
Disrespectful and arrogant meddling: "It's against my better judgement...but you can go".
justanotherbrick:
And I guess that my even bigger point is that YES, Dora needs therapy. She has major control issues/sibling rivalry issues/insecurity issues.
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: justanotherbrick on 13 Jun 2011, 18:09 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jun 2011, 16:10 ---I think I see the point here:
Friendly if firm advice: Marten to Faye, "Just go on a date with him[Angus]"
Disrespectful and arrogant meddling: "I can't believe you're going on a DATE with that creeper"
--- End quote ---
Hey all, casual lurker, occasional poster here. :-)
When Hannelore wanted to go on a casual, non-date with Sven, Dora's exact words were "you picked literally the WORST POSSIBLE GUY to do it with" (words about her own brother - nice, hey?) Then, when poor Hannelore backed off (after it took her considerable bravery to get over her fears and ask Sven) Dora said "it's against my better judgement...but you can go". This really irritated me at the time, because why does Hannelore need Dora's permission to go on a date with Sven? I couldn't believe that Dora had the gall to "give Hanners permission" to go on a date...as if she had anything to do with it to begin with.
My point is that Dora is, (in my very humble opinion) by FAR the most meddling/sticks-her-nose-where-it-doesn't-belong-character in the strip. In this case, Faye is expressing her trepidation towards Dora going on a date at all, let alone a date with a guy who seems to have residual anger issues towards his ex-wife and lawyer, not meddling. I would want my friends to tell me if they thought a guy was a creeper too...it shows that they care. Besides, my mom always taught me to trust your gut, and Faye's guy feeling is that this guy is a "creeper" (I sort of agree with her, to be honest).
So, in my opinion:
Friendly, but firm advice: "I thought you were gonna try and work out some of your issues..."
Disrespectful and arrogant meddling: "It's against my better judgement...but you can go".
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I agree with you in some ways I just went back and reread the whole thing and I can see some of your point but there are a couple things too that could be mentioned, if only for devils advocate.
1) Dora might have been worried that Svens manwhore ways would end up with him trying to seduce Hannelore which would certainly end badly for those involved. Her comment might not have been nice, but she might have also reflected that if Sven was apparently able to get the pugnacious peach into bed that the hyperventilating Hannelore might also be a possibility and foresaw that it would be possible and that it might end up hurting Hannelore or causing other drama.
2) There is also the fact that Dora even mentioned that Hannelore brought out some of her maternal side, usually when they had to care for her when she got sick or something similar, so that might explain some of her whole permission thing and the like. Not saying that it's good or right, just that I can sort of see where it came from.
3) Given Hannelores occasional overreactions herself there might have also been some risk to Sven or those around them and even if she isn't thrilled with Sven she likely doesn't wish him ill, at least not to that extent.
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