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Why does Dora need therapy?
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: TRVA123 on 14 Jun 2011, 01:48 ---Thank god this isn't an Ayn Rand novel, her characters don't talk to each other so much as monologue at each other.
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When they aren't raping each other.
--- Quote ---I think Marten would understand where Dora's problems in the relationship are coming from, it's just that there's nothing he could do about her insecurities that he wasn't doing already.
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Maybe if Marten had anything interesting going on in his life (any hobbies that he could share with any girlfriend so they had something to do besides fuck each other and gripe about work), things wouldn't have been so stagnant so quickly.
--- Quote ---He'd have to go to ridiculous lengths to avoid any other women, discuss every new cosmetic decision he makes with Dora ahead of time, never mention/have feelings or attractions for any other women, and give up all privacy rights. This list is a bit absurd, and I don't think Dora is that bad consistently, but they have had fights based on all of these things.
Dora needs to learn to trust those around her. Part of dating someone is to trust that they won't violate the terms of your relationship, even if you're not there to keep an eye on them. esp if you're dating someone with an active social life, if you didn't just sit back and trust them you might drive yourself crazy.
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Here is the interesting thing: This isn't an either or situation where only one person is to blame for the relationship going to Hell. Both Marten and Dora have equal shares in why things didn't work out (90% of which has to do with them flat out not being compatible in any way once they got past physical attraction to one another).
All the tolerance and trust in the world will still fail to save a relationship that was 100% based on just wanting to bone each other and having zero common interests, hobbies or perspectives on any of a myriad of topics each person considers important as the relationship tried to develop.
--- Quote ---I don't think dating someone else will change Dora's ability to trust her partner. Unless she dates a shut in with no other friends. She will have to work on her trust issues before she can have a successful relationship. Or a good vacation, for that matter, does she trust anyone to run CoD while she goes away for a week or two/
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As I recall, Marten set the tone for what he expected from Dora throughout the relationship (automatically freaking out and begging her not to kill him because he saw Hanner's boob, as someone pointed out in one of these threads that are all talking about the same subject). That kind of behavior goes on for several months and Dora gives him what he wants by acting according to how he repeatedly tells her he expects her to act, you see where this is going...
Point is, yes, Dora has issues, but with Marten it really was a case of him inviting the shit he got thanks to continuously telling Dora how he expected her to act. Restating the point: The relationship was doomed to begin with because neither Marten nor Dora were even remotely compatible with the type of person the other one was at the time the relationship started.
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: Spectreofwar on 13 Jun 2011, 22:14 ---
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 18:50 ---1) http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1395
Dora admits that they don't have much in common.
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Stoutfiles, you are seriously reaching.
She said that ONE aspect of Marten, which is a sizeable portion of him, is one she'll never be able to have a conversation with him about, and even if she did it'd be a girlfriend one.
How on EARTH did you take that to mean, and I quote, "they don't have much in common"? Face it, you're projecting, and at this point doing a poor job of it. If you have issues with Marten, just say it, but now you're just grasping at straws.
What really is your problem with this angle of the strip? What about Dora puts you so zealously on her "side" of things?
P.S. Link works now.
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If you'd bother to look at this strip like it was a real relationship, you'd see that someone as one-dimensional as Marten would get old. He's a Nice Guy who puts on a happy face everyday and bows to whatever Dora wants. That never works. He has one interesting hobby and they can't talk about it...Hanners and co. get a slightly interesting Marten while Dora gets a manatee she can fuck. One aspect...it's his only aspect! Otherwise he's a guy who works at a meaningless job, and then goes to a coffee shop, a bakery, or a bar. I've never hid the fact that I have a big problem with Marten having any motivation to better himself, especially for a guy that never seems to be happy.
My problem is that anyone dating Marten would appear crazy as they'd want to escape the bleak purgatory he creates but would have no openings to do so. The whole time with him would be an unstimulating bore; witty comments and niceness only go so far. I want to see Dora date someone who's not affiliated with her brother and who's not our everyman.
O8h7w:
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 14 Jun 2011, 04:02 ---If you'd bother to look at this strip like it was a real relationship, you'd see that someone as one-dimensional as Marten would get old. He's a Nice Guy who puts on a happy face everyday and bows to whatever Dora wants. That never works. He has one interesting hobby and they can't talk about it...Hanners and co. get a slightly interesting Marten while Dora gets a manatee she can fuck. One aspect...it's his only aspect! Otherwise he's a guy who works at a meaningless job, and then goes to a coffee shop, a bakery, or a bar. I've never hid the fact that I have a big problem with Marten having any motivation to better himself, especially for a guy that never seems to be happy.
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You may think so, but we don't know all about the characters' lives. If we do, the only conclusion is that most of the characters have no interests but booze and relationships. Think about, what do we know about Dora's interests? Coffee, a small interest in computers and there has been some music discussions. Most of the comic is actually discussions about relationships and drama in their circle of friends, and that may be pretty much what their lives are all about. It's actually what I would call the main interest of most people, and it's extraordinarily obvious in the case of Marten.
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 14 Jun 2011, 04:02 ---
--- Quote from: Spectreofwar on 13 Jun 2011, 22:14 ---
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 18:50 ---1) http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1395
Dora admits that they don't have much in common.
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Stoutfiles, you are seriously reaching.
She said that ONE aspect of Marten, which is a sizeable portion of him, is one she'll never be able to have a conversation with him about, and even if she did it'd be a girlfriend one.
How on EARTH did you take that to mean, and I quote, "they don't have much in common"? Face it, you're projecting, and at this point doing a poor job of it. If you have issues with Marten, just say it, but now you're just grasping at straws.
What really is your problem with this angle of the strip? What about Dora puts you so zealously on her "side" of things?
P.S. Link works now.
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If you'd bother to look at this strip like it was a real relationship, you'd see that someone as one-dimensional as Marten would get old. He's a Nice Guy who puts on a happy face everyday and bows to whatever Dora wants. That never works. He has one interesting hobby and they can't talk about it...Hanners and co. get a slightly interesting Marten while Dora gets a manatee she can fuck. One aspect...it's his only aspect! Otherwise he's a guy who works at a meaningless job, and then goes to a coffee shop, a bakery, or a bar. I've never hid the fact that I have a big problem with Marten having any motivation to better himself, especially for a guy that never seems to be happy.
My problem is that anyone dating Marten would appear crazy as they'd want to escape the bleak purgatory he creates but would have no openings to do so. The whole time with him would be an unstimulating bore; witty comments and niceness only go so far. I want to see Dora date someone who's not affiliated with her brother and who's not our everyman.
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As opposed to Dora who could, if viewed through similar uncharitable lenses, be seen as sex obsessed and who manages a little coffee shop and has very little respect for others boundaries. And as mentioned before we don't see every moment of their lives, as for Dora...we see her complain about her cat, know she has a bit of computer skill but goes ballistic if someone fails to compliment it heavily enough (see when Marigold saw it for the first time). Dora doesn't exactly have a ton of depth either.
And to the idea that they had nothing in common...well apparently she and Marten liked watching horror movies together, the knew enough about her interests to get both of them tickets to a convention catering to same. Marten is a bit of a music nerd, aside from also being able to play music, but you'll notice that Dora tends to have no problem talking about music, her tastes are just a bit different and more narrow, focused more on heavy metal than Marten. They played video games together as well a few times for get togethers. For all we know everyone in the cast could be a cthulhu cultist, both due to the nature of the webcomic and the nature of webcomic time we don't see every aspect of them or all of their hobbies. Faye and Angus might not have a ton of overlapping interests either, Angus probably has a fair interest in politics but Faye never expressed interests in it, does that mean that their relationship is doomed too?
JordanDH:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 14 Jun 2011, 03:37 ---Maybe if Marten had anything interesting going on in his life (any hobbies that he could share with any girlfriend so they had something to do besides fuck each other and gripe about work), things wouldn't have been so stagnant so quickly.
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Why is the responsibility entirely with him?
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