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Why does Dora need therapy?

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DSL:
http://wapsisquare.com/comic/like-a-fable/

Tiogyr:

--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jun 2011, 09:51 ---If we pursue the hypothesis that Dora and Marten didn't have enough in common (supportable from the strip), and broke up because of that and not for the reasons Dora gave (speculative, but psychologically plausible), where does that line of thought put us?
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It puts us on "lets wait and see where Jeph takes this" instead of "Oh holy shit, Dora is a slut!" like some people are just a half-step short of doing.


--- Quote ---It means that Dora keeps choosing incompatible partners.
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Or it means that the local dating pool is full of people Dora isn't compatible with and she'd probably be happier if she lived somewhere else. This is a pretty common story in many mediums and in real life as well (ranging from stories to outright examples of people that move from, say, The Deep South to one of the so-called Yankee states and being much happier, and vice-versa).


--- Quote ---That's either bad luck (possible but getting unlikely for someone her age) or the result of an emotional malfunction that leads her to pursue people who aren't good for her. In the latter case, we're back to her needing the help of an expert in human behavior and in leading people to self-insight.
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Oh, she definitely needs therapy for her issues. But then, so does Marten, so does Faye, so does Hannelore, so does... well, every major character in the comic. The difference is that Marten and Dora are the only two that (apparently) aren't (assuming Dora hasn't actually been seeing a therapist and we just haven't been given the benefit of those sessions).

Welu:

--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 18:50 ---1) http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1395

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In that comic Dora is specifically talking about the way Marten and Hannelore are discussing the band, not music in general so it's big leap to say they had little in common. The comic has shown many times Marten and Dora are capable of discussing music in general. Others gave examples of other ways Marten and Dora were compatible, like movies and video games, and just by their being friends before getting together shows that they didn't need mostly the same interests to get along. That's true of a lot of friendships and relationships.

It's very rare one partner is 100% responsible for a relationship ending but the explanation Dora gave at the time was her issues getting in the way of rationality. The circumstances of Marten's relationship with Faye before them getting together didn't help (despite constant reassurances there is nothing between them since Dora and Marten got together) but Dora's previous issues seem like she'd find a way to be insecure even when one is not there.

I could go on about other ways Dora's issues affect other parts of her life but I've joined this thread late and most people have said things I would have said. :mrgreen:

stoutfiles:

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--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 18:50 ---1) http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1395

Dora admits that they don't have much in common.

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Stoutfiles, you are seriously reaching.

She said that ONE aspect of Marten, which is a sizeable portion of him, is one she'll never be able to have a conversation with him about, and even if she did it'd be a girlfriend one.

How on EARTH did you take that to mean, and I quote, "they don't have much in common"? Face it, you're projecting, and at this point doing a poor job of it. If you have issues with Marten, just say it, but now you're just grasping at straws.

What really is your problem with this angle of the strip? What about Dora puts you so zealously on her "side" of things?

P.S. Link works now.

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If you'd bother to look at this strip like it was a real relationship, you'd see that someone as one-dimensional as Marten would get old.  He's a Nice Guy who puts on a happy face everyday and bows to whatever Dora wants.  That never works.  He has one interesting hobby and they can't talk about it...Hanners and co. get a slightly interesting Marten while Dora gets a manatee she can fuck.  One aspect...it's his only aspect!  Otherwise he's a guy who works at a meaningless job, and then goes to a coffee shop, a bakery, or a bar.  I've never hid the fact that I have a big problem with Marten having any motivation to better himself, especially for a guy that never seems to be happy.

My problem is that anyone dating Marten would appear crazy as they'd want to escape the bleak purgatory he creates but would have no openings to do so.  The whole time with him would be an unstimulating bore; witty comments and niceness only go so far.  I want to see Dora date someone who's not affiliated with her brother and who's not our everyman.

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Actually, I have bothered to look at this strip like a real relationship, which is what has kept me interested for as long as it has. I have actually paid more attention to this webcomic than any TV show in recent time. Marten is one-dimensional, and I'm not all that interested in him either, compared to his friends and how he interacts with them. But I don't go and make up stuff for my favourites like you apparently do (as pointed out in my previous reply).

You are doing nothing more right now than projecting yourself and your views on your favourite character (talk about something getting old!), and attempting to defend a point that Dora should or should not being going to therapy because she broke up with Marten.

If you had bothered to read the comic, you may have picked up that Dora has ALWAYS had issues. Pushing her to therapy was an event that came after the break-up, because her given reasons for the break-up were the culmination of all her issues affecting not only her life but those around her. THAT requires HELP, if you can't do it alone(and Dora has admitted that she tried to get over her issues; I'm not making this one up, she actually said those words). To give you an actual answer to your OP title: Dora needs therapy because her issues are holding her back in aspects of life that she has stated she wanted to change, which are affecting her in a detrimental way, and she cannot change on her own.

Besides, who are you to judge what relationships she can or cannot have, any more than her friends? Their every moments aren't displayed in this comic. Who are you to say you know better than those who spend all their time with her? If you had bothered to look at the strip like it was a real relationship, you'd know they're NEVER as simple as they seem from the outside, and a detached 3rd-person view never accounts for actual feelings.

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My favorite character is Hannelore.  Dora's alright, but she wouldn't make the top 5.  I don't like Marten all that much, but I wasn't rooting fir their relationship to fail, more for Marten to show some ambition to do something with his life.  Right now he's just moping around at the library for minimum wage. 

I'm pushing my views?  Isn't that the point?  This whole topic is opinionated to begin with, there is no 100% right answer.  I give my thoughts on what I think about the situation, and I'm sorry, but my mind will not change.  I think the sample size of relationships is too small to determine that she has to get help, and even if I thought she did need help, it can only be suggested.  It's Dora's decision to make, she's a big girl now with big girl feelings.

I never said she should dump Marten.  I said she should do what she wants without her friends getting on her back.  Who Dora dates isn't really any of their business. 

Is it cold in here?:
We know that Dora's been to at least one therapy session. She thought it was a failure because she talked about her brother the whole time. Jeph commented in the newspost that Dora was not being particularly self-aware there.

Is there argument, or consensus, that Dora herself thinks she needs therapy?

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