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WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
Tiogyr:
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--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 03:31 ---Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.
Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.
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Then it wouldn't be Marten. Its like saying "New and Improved", its either one or the other.
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Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 06:27 ---Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
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No, I'm saying that thinking along the lines of Marten 2.0 results in the Marten we know not exist, that everything we have seen him experience and go through would be for naught.
Marten 2.0 is also another way of saying "New and improved." Which is impossible. If its new, how could it be improved. If its improved then a version of it existed before and it couldn't be new. We have no way of knowing what Jim's back history is beyond owning a bakery, being divorced and having a bad lawyer. But his experiences must be different from Marten's so he can't be Marten 2.0
mike837go:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 22 Jun 2011, 06:44 ---[snip] having a bad lawyer. [/snip]
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Be careful of perceptions. Everyone who has ever come out poorly in court "had a bad lawyer".
We only have Jim's word for it. He could have screwed me marriage up (spent too much time in the bakery?), and blamed the poor outcome on his lawyer.
Jeph even discussed the 'crazy ex-' phenonminon a couple o' hundred strips back.
Black Sword:
Honestly, I'd have said something like Jim's last line just to bust the girl's chops.
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 06:27 ---
Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
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I think a case can be made for that. The manatee on codeine isn't very assertive, and just goes along with the flow, putting a happy face on almost eveyrthing. To at least get to the point where Jim is, you have to be able to fight (even if your ex wife and her lawyer takes you to the cleaners, at least you tried to duke it out), whether or not your persona is a fractured, fragile mess on the inside. Like Dora, for example. Girl's a mess, but she fights anyway, and has won a few victories for Coffee of Doom along the way. Marten...really doesn't.
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 22 Jun 2011, 06:44 ---
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 06:27 ---Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
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No, I'm saying that thinking along the lines of Marten 2.0 results in the Marten we know not exist, that everything we have seen him experience and go through would be for naught.
Marten 2.0 is also another way of saying "New and improved." Which is impossible. If its new, how could it be improved. If its improved then a version of it existed before and it couldn't be new. We have no way of knowing what Jim's back history is beyond owning a bakery, being divorced and having a bad lawyer. But his experiences must be different from Marten's so he can't be Marten 2.0
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Meanwhile, someone that is more successful than Marten professionally is cracking the same kinds of jokes Marten used to make. That's what I was getting at (and we've already seen how Dora swooned over the idea of an older version of Marten when she met Marten's dad).
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