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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
Skaltura:
I feel that commenting on the breakup and who's at fault is prime schmuck bait, so I will restrict myself to saying that I really like the way Dora's drawn today, especially the legs and her expression in panel 3!
NotAwesomeAnymore:
"A lot of it was him too." I barely noticed that line the first time. She adds it in response to Jim, as sort of a sidenote, to counterbalance her own bias. There are enough people in the forum who do think Marten has issues for it to not be a black and white badguy situation. He did nothing deliberate or hurtful, but the way he handled issues didn't help. He may just have acted as a trigger.
Also, if someone who was always passive suddenly blew up and scared the shit out of me, I would not call it "standing up for himself". Such a significant change in behaviour, whether it's going from aggressive to silent, or silent to aggressive, or happy to sad means more than the behaviour itself. It says the relationship isn't what it used to be. When it occurs after building tensions and multiple fights, few people would say,"Oh, this is a good sign."
So now that Dora has acknowledged that it was her issues, made it "sound like it was totally [her] fault" and admitted that she has to solve this problem before it happens again (panel, 3), what more must be done? From a utilitarian point of view, nothing. She's not hurting anyone right now except maybe Jim (who she woulda hurt worse later).
To be fair, what bothers me is that Dora can't separate her feelings from her behaviour. It comes off as excusey.
DSL:
Relative to Dora's first comment ... Wonder if anyone has told her offscreen that M. did sorta try ...
FAYE: "Oh, by the way, assbutt, Marty stopped by the shop the other day while you were moving."
HANNERS : "And we tortured a cyborg nerd who was stalking me ... I wasn't supposed to say that, was I?"
RAVEN: "Aw, I didn't get a boob-grab from the mechanical hand."
Tiogyr:
Cross-posting to here, as I suspect the other thread may be locked soon:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 05 Jul 2011, 08:25 ---
--- Quote from: Mightyanvil on 05 Jul 2011, 08:15 ---"A lot of it was him too"
Wtf? Seriously? She think it was his fault too?
It was 100% her fault. Every single part of that break up belongs to Dora. Crazy psycho women. I used to like her, now I cannot stand her. Kudos for making her so realistic as to dredge up memories of the complete nutjobs I've met in my life.
More Hanners, Marigold, Faye, less psycho women that screws over good guys in the name of "waah, waah, nobody loves me." Marten puts up with ALL her insecurities, buys her gifts, treats her right and she goes all emo on him.
*throws hands up in the air and stomps off*
FYI, When Marty hooked up with Dora and NOT Faye, oh so long ago, I almost gave up on the comic, also, hai, I am new here.
I wouldn't have actually posted, but 1962 makes me wanna Fayepunch someone.
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The breakup itself was 100% Dora's insecurities, but come on. That relationship was doomed from the start because Marten had zero backbone to lay down the ground rules to begin with.
What is Dora's biggest named criticism of Marten other than the Faye pining? His lack of decisiveness on a consistent basis. Dora had to pull some pretty insane shit to get Marten to even think about standing up to her.
In all honesty, no woman with any self respect would stay in a relationship with Marten for very long anyway, simply because he is incapable of doing anything on his own. In short: Marten isn't even really an adult, he's an overgrown boy that needs a mother-figure to tell him what to do every minute of every day.
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Mightyanvil:
Yes, but crazy person is still crazy.
Smoke and mirrors might show Marten's issues. But Dora is still a nutjob. What a lot of people are labeling passive here is just plain being nice and perhaps putting someone else's wants ahead of your own. Something you need to do occasionally to make a relationship work.
I am not saying all of Marten's behavior is excusable, he is a bit passive on some things. But it isn't exactly like he is a giant ball of passivity and nothing else. He is a genuinely nice guy, he cares for Dora, loves(d) her, none of the fights they have are initiated by him and he doesn't really do anything wrong. Might be a bit of a blanket statement. But blaming the relationship not working due to Marten, ludicrous. Plus, you guys lay on the passive thing too much, when Dora goes nuts over something and marten states "fuck this, I am leaving" or something to that extent, that is NOT being passive. Passive would just give up and say, yes ma'am.
100% of the fault is Dora's emoness. If she grows up a little, she might be able to have a real relationship, something she (admittedly) has never had.
Long story short:
Dora is whack.
Nice does not equate to passive.
Also, "In all honesty, no woman with any self respect would stay in a relationship with Marten for very long anyway, simply because he is incapable of doing anything on his own. In short: Marten isn't even really an adult, he's an overgrown boy that needs a mother-figure to tell him what to do every minute of every day."
I think you need to go back and read the comic again. Marten is pretty fleshed out, he has mommy issues, but he does most things on his own.
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