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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
Mightyanvil:
I think I will go with RL experience and not something written on the intarwebs.
Sorry, I won't go out and start smacking my bitch around or treating her like crap. The kind of woman I am involved (or get involved) with have a tendency to have some self respect and don't need to be mistreated to feel valuable. I guess I have unusual standards.
And once again, Nice does not mean passive. You can be nice and still have a back bone. It isn't like treating a person with respect is some form of disease. If there weren't 2k comics to go back through, I would feel like tracking down instances where Marty behaves decidedly un-passive. I have already read issues 1-current 3 times. I think I am good on doing it again for a while.
Elysiana:
I keep seeing that link pop up in various places, and there's a lot in there that I'm not comfortable with - namely that they are talking about a very specific type of Nice Guy, and it falls on the VERY far end of the spectrum. And when they're not talking about that one, they're talking about the "Nice" Guy which is entirely different. It all kind of gets lumped in together and given the title of Nice Guy as though it's the final word on the subject, but I think it's a misnomer.
I agree with MA - nice does not mean passive.
Schmorgluck:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 05 Jul 2011, 08:51 ---I think you need to read the series of articles starting here and realize that being a "Nice Guy" is pretty much the worst possible thing a guy can be and expect women to treat him with any kind of respect.
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I think you need to read the first sentence of the series of article you link to before trying to make a statement based upon it.
--- Quote ---All too often we hear self-professed "Nice Guys" complaining about why they can't get a date, and whining that women just want to date jerks, etc. etc.
--- End quote ---
(emphasis mine)
We've seen how Marten behaves. He doesn't fit in the kind of guys described in these articles – that I happen to have already read some times ago.
dragontart:
While I agree that the posted Nice-Guy-articles describe pretty well how it works not, I don't think it labels nice guys correctly in general, and also not Marten.
I'll just change "his fault, too" to "he was a reason, too" in my head, since he being him obviously doesn't fit to Dora or the other way round.
Dang people here are always faster than me each time I want to say something once every eternity x)
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Mightyanvil on 05 Jul 2011, 08:59 ---And once again, Nice does not mean passive.
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Absolutely. The trouble is that you can do positive things which are not considered "manly" enough by some people, and so get misinterpreted (or more likely, ignored).
Marten is not passive here, for instance - he is initiating what he is doing, trivial though it is. And he is taking the initiative here, or here. And here, for instance, is one of a number of times he simply stood by his view of things rather than giving in to Dora's revisionism. It's not hard to find examples.
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