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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
pendrake:
For comic #1962...
1. Aw... nothing like post-restaurant ice cream. I generally do that too on most dates. I find it a lot more enjoyable than at-restaurant dessert (lets you get up and move around after eating, yet have an excuse to stop and enjoy each other's company too :wink: ).
2. It was a good artwork job on the frontal shots for the last two panels, those angles are always difficult to draw.
3. Forum "debates," quotings, and linkings like these always remind me of a television commerical I wish I had paid more attention to...
- Older business exec #1: We need to be able show that our [product] is better without actually having to do anything.
- Younger business exec #2: That's easy! 85% of all statistics can be made to say whatever you want.
- Older business exec #1: Does that actually work?
- Younger business exec #2: yes! ...60% of the time.
- Older business exec #1: *facepalms*
(Sadly at this point I did not catch which company's commerical this was, as I was rendered blind & helpless by laughter-tears when I heard these lines... :roll: )
grimeyville:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 05 Jul 2011, 10:15 ---
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 05 Jul 2011, 10:01 ---I don't see why people should have to prove themselves to earn respect.
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You do when you've recently done things to lose that respect, which was the case between Marten and Dora (she started off already not having much respect for him due to watching his interactions with Faye). But as I said, Dora doesn't have much self-respect either (if not for her insecurities, she would still be with Marten).
Marten isn't completely worthless, but you do have to wonder why none of his friends seem to have any real respect for him.
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Because he can be easily pushed over. Because his snapping point does not exist. He has no respect for himself, why should anyone respect him. You know what is funny? That the times Marten stood up to himself from his friends, they saw him as being a dick and what have you, because it's not in his personality to say the things he said. It took being dumped to bring that out of him. A basic Hammer of Dawn.
Our lovable Faye likes to hit people and be snarky and vicious, and that's part of her personality. Hell, that's why Angus likes her. They are both fairly snarky people. Marten however, well, I don't remember the last time I saw Marten be snarky. It's not in his nature. He's easily walked on so when he does prove to not be walked on, he either gets a comment about him being a dick, or if it's his mom apparently, a complete shut down.
You want the most telling thing about Marten's personality?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1835
He looks like a beaten child. What people like about Marten is that he's a go with the flow kind of guy, that's what we can assume by seeing how he is with friends. He's someone who you can depend on, who's loyal and there, but on the 'con' side of things... He's weak. Sedated. Only makes a fuss about something when his button is pushed. Hard. He never has a strong opinion about one thing or the other, and with no strong opinions he is easily stomped on. The more I think about it the more I realize that Dora isn't really in as much of the wrong as the forum thinks.
I hate to compare personal life here, but my ex and I's relationship had a few points similar Marten and Dora's.
I was so passive about everything, so nonchalant, she always wondered if I cared much. I would show I cared by always taking her out and stuff, but what she wanted was a strong well... Opinion about something, anything. About showing I cared in more intimate ways. Her baggage was previous relationships, always bringing up different former boyfriends and stuff, I would get mad and so on.
We broke up over issues, and now that we are actually really good friends, we discuss how we both went wrong to make sure we never make the same mistakes again with different people or with each other if that day ever comes. She's helping me realize that you NEED to say what you feel, not just pend it up and hold it for four to six months until it's oven baked and ready.
Back to the main point: Again, why should anyone respect someone who doesn't respect themselves.
If he really, actually wanted that relationship to continue, he would have fought to change her mind.
Instead, Marten just took it like a Mike Tyson punch in the first round.
Instead he acted like a victim and got no sympathy. He drank a lot out of frustration, got punched out by Faye for getting fresh and going on that nice guy complaint that I am really mad used to come out of my mouth at one point in my life, and even now he's eating a buffet of doormatism.
Dora and Marten need to... Well, talk. Hopefully without either of them killing each other and learning what they can about their own stupid, childish, terrible behaviors so they can grow from it.
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: pendrake on 05 Jul 2011, 10:43 ---2. It was a good artwork job on the frontal shots for the last two panels, those angles are always difficult to draw.
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I don't know, man, you saying this made me look again and now I'm wondering how Jim could possibly be comfortable in women's pants like that.
dragontart:
--- Quote ---He has no respect for himself, why should anyone respect him.
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Actually, because one's not a jerk. What kind of respect other people have or don't have for person X (including person X) is in no way important for my opinion about X.
(I have the same standard-respect for everyone who's not doing malicious things on purpose and people won't gain anything just because they're incredibly cool.)
grimeyville:
--- Quote from: dragontart on 05 Jul 2011, 10:55 ---
--- Quote ---He has no respect for himself, why should anyone respect him.
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Actually, because one's not a jerk. What kind of respect other people have or don't have for person X (including person X) is in no way important for my opinion about X.
(I have the same standard-respect for everyone who's not doing malicious things on purpose and people won't gain anything just because they're incredibly cool.)
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You are completely allowed to respect them, consciously or unconsciously. You may be the outlier in the equation.
However people (this is just my personal opinion) usually seemed to get walked over more, when they have less respect for themselves. The more they are like, "It's okay if Person X does this, that or other thing to me, I don't care." The more someone says, "Oh, they're letting me get away with this? Then I'll continue, and do more of it."
Usually just seems like human nature to me.
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