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pwhodges:
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Was my message above not clear?  There are ways to discuss these matters diplomatically.  Let me put it simply:

If the insults continue I will lock the thread.

Dr. ROFLPWN:
...and you know what, lemme say something I've been meaning to say for a while.

If there is one phenomenon that I cannot fucking stand on these forums, it is the Cult of Marten. We joke that we're all Jeph's personality cult, but this loses much of its humor when you see that there is a real personality cult here, and in it Jeph is but a minor saint. What's really fucking going on is this fucking bizarre pedestal-raising, this deification, for Marten, as this gloriously wonderful and always good and basically flawless person. Even the people who say they dislike Marten like Marten, witness ChibiSoma's misogynistic bullshit rantings where what Marten SHOULD do is at the heart of things. (This is not meant as an insult; ChibiSoma's posts are one misogynistic bullshit rant after another. Literally.)

It makes me hate him. I didn't, formerly, but at this point my fondest wish in regards to QC is Marten's continued suffering. I was honestly hoping that Dora would start a new life with Jim right in front of Marten and that his other friends would hook up and he would be left utterly alone and devastated, and it would taste of justice.

Marten is not that bad a dude, in truth. I don't even know that he deserves a capital Nice Guy. But he is a dude who told his best friend, while she was trying to care for him, that she owed him sex for helping her, and essentially called her a slut. To her face. He is fucking lucky she values their friendship as much as she does, because she would have been well within her rights to end said friendship right the fuck then. What he did was misogynistic, victimizing horseshit. It showed that on some level, there is a scumbag in Marten. Yes, he was talking with a poisoned brain: I remember vividly trying to tell people that and getting back  choruses of "but but but in vino veritas." However, his poisoned brain does not wholly excuse what he said, and that Faye forgave him says a lot about how good a person Faye really is.

And what was the overwhelming response on this forum to those events? "Oh poor Marten oh you can't fault him for what he's saying he is so nice and he fucks up one time baaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww" with a light slice from fringe views of "fucking abusive whore why do you open your legs for all these other men when Marten deserves your peach, he has EARNED it". And I am just...I boggle. How the fuck? If someone said such things as Marten said, to you, in real life, wouldn't you lose some respect for them? Marten certainly lost much of mine, that day.

And afterwards, the trend has not abated. Marten is ever the victim, never at fault for anything. He is Marten the Blameless, Marten the Sufferer, twice betrayed, by a shrew and by a false Madonna: that is the note this forum sings unceasingly. And I am tired of it. It is why I totally understand Tiogyr's desire to remain apart from the "community." Hell, most of this board doesn't want to be part of a "community" with this forum: witness how they sequester themselves downboard in the Awkward Self-Aware Makeout Zone. To be part of a "community" is to bond arms with wrongheadedness, to be one of the hydra's heads, and I do not choose to be.

dragontart:
I guess that "staying friends"-thing just depends on what you expect from social relationships or what social relationships mean to you. I chose mine very carefully and I'm rather alone than with people who(m?) I'm just with because there are no other/better alternatives. (I'd find that pretty annoying.)
So for example this
"so there is no shortage of people to form new relationships with (I could see this being a problem in really rural communities, maybe, but not a bustling city)."
does not matter in any way for me, that's probably the reason why it seemed weird to me why anyone wouldn't bother about being friends after a relationship all out of a sudden.
(My English does things this morning. Sorry.)

Dr. ROFLPWN:
To clarify where my long-winded rant cometh from, it is both from reading back Tiogyr's posts to analyze his viewpoint, which is not really all that objectionable (to me), the tide of increasingly vituperative responses to the fellow for saying pretty reasonable shit, and the pounding hammer of Glorious Marten and his Righteousness that has kept me away from the forum for several weeks for my own safety.

themacnut:
The thing is though, if Marten stopped being the "Noble Victim" and actually manned up and went after what he wanted in life, would QC still be as enjoyable for you? I'm talking about the comic, not the forums, of course.

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