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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 09 Jul 2011, 01:44 ---the pounding hammer of Glorious Marten and his Righteousness
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I think your reaction's a bit extreme, though. Marten is written as an amiable, bumbling everyman, who does little which is notably right or wrong; and rather a lot of people can identify with that. Yes, he mouthed off at Faye, but Faye punched him out and forgave him; Steve once mouthed off similarly at Marten (way back) and Marten walked out, but turned and went straight back in and forgave him. Seems reasonably balanced to me. And remember Jeph's own remark that he doesn't see any of the arguments as being entirely one-sided.
And "St Jeph"? Well, no - but he is the reason that this forum exists at all - and we should respect that, though without it becoming worship.
Finally, a remark about the "other parts" of the forum. There was a crowd of people (I've referred to them as "the old guard" in the past) who came to this forum when it was first set up because of some of them having met Jeph; however, they came, not just for the comic discussion, but more to use it as a replacement for a previous forum they had been on together. A few weeks ago, that group started to migrate to a new forum that one of them has set up; so I think that any antagonism there was could start to fade away.
Welu:
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--- Quote from: Welu on 08 Jul 2011, 04:34 ---I'm glad Dora and Marten are talking. I wonder if this means he won't be returning to tSB.
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I really need to know if the whole world is weird or if it's just me: WHAT THE FUCK COULD HAPPEN RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD MAGICALLY MAKE MARTEN UNABLE TO VISIT THE SECRET BAKERY?
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Others have answered this already with my thoughts and more but figured I'd say the thought I had while posting. Marten started going to tSB because he couldn't go to CoD right after the break-up. He's already gone to CoD once but Dora wasn't there. Now Dora and him are talking and she's straight asked him to come by. He'll probably go between the two for a while till the awkwardness totally fades. Plus CoD has tSB's baked goods too so he won't need to go there just for those.
I'd still like to see tSB and its crew. Just wonder how likely it is or if there'll be a big drop in the crew's appearances. I still want to find out ScarNeck's name!
SJCrew:
--- Quote ---But he is a dude who told his best friend, while she was trying to care for him, that she owed him sex for helping her, and essentially called her a slut. To her face. He is fucking lucky she values their friendship as much as she does, because she would have been well within her rights to end said friendship right the fuck then. What he did was misogynistic, victimizing horseshit. It showed that on some level, there is a scumbag in Marten. Yes, he was talking with a poisoned brain: I remember vividly trying to tell people that and getting back choruses of "but but but in vino veritas." However, his poisoned brain does not wholly excuse what he said, and that Faye forgave him says a lot about how good a person Faye really is.
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I completely forgot about that event until you brought it up. You're overestimating the weight of Marten's comment, and undermining his friendship with Faye. They've been through stuff together and trust each other, like most good friends do. You don't toss all of that out of the window for one stupid comment made while intoxicated. That's just saying your ego is more important than the friendship, which is pretty fucked up in and of itself, don't you think?
Regardless, even if Faye had opted for the more bloodthristy approach and left him to wallow in his suffering, they still live in the same apartment, and there's no way Hannelore would stand idly by and watch her circle of friends go to hell over something like that. Marten would eventually have apologized for what he did (if Faye would even bring herself to remind him; keep in mind she did knock him out and he had little recollection of the nights events when he came to), Faye would forgive him because she is a good friend to him, as he is to her, and we would all go on with our lives. Basically the same as what's happening now.
dragontart:
--- Quote ---You don't toss all of that out of the window for one stupid comment made while intoxicated. That's just saying your ego is more important than the friendship, which is pretty fucked up in and of itself.
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That depends on what you think alcohol does to Marten. Does he, for once, show what he really thinks because it's making him more daring (in that case his friendship to Faye didn't mean much to begin with, and I think that's not likely), or does he basically tell bullshit because his judgment is kind of limited in that condition.
But there was a discussion about that and it wasn't pretty, if I remember correctly.
SJCrew:
Do keep in mind that outside of that incident, Marten and Faye have maintained a perfectly normal and healthy friendship up until now. I mean, heck, this was the way it was even when Marten wanted to date her (and if you read his response in comic 501, it wasn't exactly a 'head-over-heels' sort of attraction). After the fact, Jeph even devoted an entire comic of self-musing to debunking the theory that Marten is on an indefinite hold for Faye. We're beyond the point of baseless speculation and ulterior motives; this is as good as it's going to get.
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