Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 05:08 ---Ah, I was still hung up on it being rude to show up at a party after telling the host you won't be there, but I guess since she's there she might as well.
Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).
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They're not close friends, but Dora knows her well enough to say hi to her at a party. Especially since it's Tai's party, and because Marten said to.
I don't find Tai even remotely funny as comic relief. Telling anyone to "fuck off" for wanting to talk to you is incredibly rude and immature. Then to top it off, she drags Hanners away from her friends to make her uncomfortably DJ a party. I really hope Tai catches the next bus out of town.
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 05:17 ---
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:52 ---Re: the terminology debate earlier:
Marten is normally a good friend, but occasionally has the attitude that he's owed sexual favors for his friendship with females, especially earlier in the comic.
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See, that's something that puzzles me: every now and then someone states something along this line, but I can't find any evidence of it in the archives. Am I overlooking something?
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Stuff like this is a bit... creepy. And it adds up over the course of the comic, culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jul 2011, 06:01 ---
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 05:08 ---Ah, I was still hung up on it being rude to show up at a party after telling the host you won't be there, but I guess since she's there she might as well.
Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).
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They're not close friends, but Dora knows her well enough to say hi to her at a party. Especially since it's Tai's party, and because Marten said to.
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I was mostly talking about the "maintaining their friendship" line (in a "they're friends?" way), but yeah, I get it now.
--- Quote ---I don't find Tai even remotely funny as comic relief. Telling anyone to "fuck off" for wanting to talk to you is incredibly rude and immature. Then to top it off, she drags Hanners away from her friends to make her uncomfortably DJ a party. I really hope Tai catches the next bus out of town.
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Shoot, Hanners as a DJ will probably work out being even more fun for her once she figures it out, but I agree on Tai not being even remotely funny in any situation so far.
Sylentknight:
--- Quote from: leahneedsanap on 12 Jul 2011, 16:18 ---
--- Quote from: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 16:05 ---
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 13:00 ---I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.
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I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.
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Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke. It's just awful.
Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.
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Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with" bit as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.
I'll blame the Jessica Alba scene in "Machete" since that's the last place I saw the bit used.
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: Sylentknight on 13 Jul 2011, 06:10 ---
--- Quote from: leahneedsanap on 12 Jul 2011, 16:18 ---
--- Quote from: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 16:05 ---
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 13:00 ---I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.
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I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.
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Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke. It's just awful.
Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.
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Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with bit" as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.
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I think it hinges entirely on whether the other person was also blackout drunk or not. If the other person is completely sober with no hangover whatsoever, then yes, the reaction should be the same because the person waking up from the blackout couldn't actually give consent.
EDIT: I haven't seen Machete, yet.
lepetitfromage:
--- Quote from: Sylentknight on 13 Jul 2011, 06:10 ---
--- Quote from: leahneedsanap on 12 Jul 2011, 16:18 ---
--- Quote from: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 16:05 ---
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 13:00 ---I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.
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I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.
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Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke. It's just awful.
Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.
--- End quote ---
Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with bit" as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.
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....i don't think people would have commented as such if you left out the "everyone in the strip knows it's a joke" thing. It is possible for two people (of same OR different sex) to wake up in the same bed together and invoke humor in the viewer of said moment. If others in the cast are aware that it is a practical joke, I can see where people would consider that a cruel joke. BUT, I like the idea that it would be Jeph playing the joke on us. :-P At first I took it as "Tai is really drunk and needs somewhere to stay, Marten allows her to sleep in his bed, we only see Tai in Marten's bed in last panel of comic on a Friday"....now keep in mind that although this may or may not fit the characters' typical actions, there are real people that do this without getting raped/having sex. If you've known someone for years and years and aren't affected by "omg what will people think", then it's safe to say that both parties would be comfortable sleeping in the same bed for one evening.
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