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WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Sylentknight:
Again...I didn't think through the negative interpretations of the "bit". You're right. Both parties being asleep is a key factor. Both parties still clothed adds to it.
Schmorgluck:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---Stuff like this is a bit... creepy.
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How so?
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---And it adds up over the course of the comic,
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When, where?
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
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Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.
wrwight:
I've had a few WTF moments reading the last couple of pages of discussion, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the ender of messes is wearing the (possibly sweaty and gross) headphones that were just on the head of someone else. I know she's loosened up quite a bit since becoming part of the gang, but I didn't think she was quite that far yet.
I agree that this feels like 2 comics in 1, though I doubt it would have worked as two separate comics. I think the punchline may have been funnier if it were the 4th panel, but that the segue to Hannelore the DJ wouldn't have been quite as natural in the first panel of tomorrow's comic.
Also, just because I can't help it, does anyone remember during Marten's first meeting with Hannelore the description he gave of himself? (HINT: last panel of the comic I linked) I'm pretty sure that has rung true throughout the comic, with of course the one exception we all know about. I think Marten does a lot for girls, and perhaps he hopes it improves his chances of getting close to them, but I don't think there's any evidence that he does them solely to get laid, or that he expects anything in return, whether he hopes for it or not. This is probably just me projecting onto the character, at least to some degree, because there isn't a lot a cute girl can't get me to do, despite knowing there's no chance I would sleep with her, even if given the opportunity (it has come up before, and I have refused. That was its own story though). Some of us are just suckers, and we're ok with that.
SirDudley:
Gonna be stepping away from the drama in this thread for a moment.
I totally support DJ Hanners and her efforts. Something tells me she'll probably be joined by DJ Mar-Bear to help with the technical side of things.
grimeyville:
--- Quote from: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 07:05 ---
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
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Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.
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Not only that, but that was Marten's absolute low point in the series, I am pretty sure. Depression and bourbon abound. That's probably the reason Faye did what she did and did not tell him what he had said or done. His girlfriend dumped him, a girl who he originally liked was dating a guy who, in a lot of ways is absolutely nothing like him.
Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".
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