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WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Faye Whitaker:
I hope Dora was going over to Tai for chivalrous reasons, even though I would prefer her not to get back with Marten.
Tiogyr:
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--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---Stuff like this is a bit... creepy.
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How so?
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You don't see a guy committing fraud to buy a gift for a girl he has a crush on as creepy?
As for other stuff, things like what this poster is talking about:
--- Quote from: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 07:09 ---Also, just because I can't help it, does anyone remember during Marten's first meeting with Hannelore the description he gave of himself? (HINT: last panel of the comic I linked)
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Being all super bitter because a girl he likes doesn't reciprocate, in this instance.
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--- Quote from: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 07:05 ---
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04 ---culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
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Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.
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Not only that, but that was Marten's absolute low point in the series, I am pretty sure. Depression and bourbon abound. That's probably the reason Faye did what she did and did not tell him what he had said or done. His girlfriend dumped him, a girl who he originally liked was dating a guy who, in a lot of ways is absolutely nothing like him.
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I get that, but none of that really invalidates the view a lot of people have reading this comic that Marten is, deep down, a really bitter person when it comes to these relationships.
I mean, just in your next line, for example:
--- Quote ---Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".
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Is one of these really any better or worse than the other?
wrwight:
Tiogyr, I really do appreciate your contribution to these forums, but dammit we both look at the same thing and see two completely different interpretations, and you have a special way of subtly masking intention of the poster and turning their point completely around to someone else. This is at least the second time you've done it to me. It's a gift really, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating when I'm the victim :-P
Faye Whitaker:
--- Quote from: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 07:39 ---Tiogyr, I really do appreciate your contribution to these forums, but dammit we both look at the same thing and see two completely different interpretations, and you have a special way of subtly masking intention of the poster and turning their point completely around to someone else. This is at least the second time you've done it to me. It's a gift really, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating when I'm the victim :-P
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Ahhh the power of perspective.
Mr. Doctor:
I don't want a Dora/Tai couple, ever.
The weird thing is that if you guys ask me "why do you say that?" I wouldn't have anything to say. I don't even know why. It's just that my brain goes all "Dora and Tai...No...No...No. Does not work"
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