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WCDT 1-5 August 2011 (1981-85)

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dragontart:

--- Quote ---Are there any ladies reading this? Do you consider Marten a guy you'd love to date?
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I'm not a lady, just female, probably making my answer moot:
No, but his lack of ambition is not a reason. People who'swth whose main (or only) goal in life is to obsessively accomplish something, or always need to do something, anything, quite annoy me, so that  part of Marten would be very relaxing.

stoutfiles:

--- Quote from: dragontart on 02 Aug 2011, 14:39 ---
--- Quote ---Are there any ladies reading this? Do you consider Marten a guy you'd love to date?
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I'm not a lady, just female, probably making my answer moot:
No, but his lack of ambition is not a reason. People who's main (or only) goal in life is to obsessively accomplish something, or always need to do something, anything, quite annoy me, so that  part of Marten would be very relaxing.

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I'm confused...people who have goals quite annoy you?  I mean, that's fine if they do, but a goal is something positive like doing well at work or writing a song.  A reason to get up in the morning.  Marten appears to have zero goals.  I never said he needed to obsessively accomplish something, I just want him to have a goal for his own well being.  I guess eating a hamburger and getting a haircut is a goal, but I was hoping for something a little bigger...something to improve himself.  It's been clarified many times before that Marten isn't a super happy guy, and i believe a goal would help change that.

pwhodges:
No, she said clearly, as you quoted that people who are obsessive  about goals annoy her.  This is not the same as simply having  goals, though I note that some people seem to make little distinction (which is often the expression of a Protestant work ethic).

jwhouk:
The punchline, IMNSHO, isn't because Marten really doesn't have goals in life. It's because that is how he deals with uncomfortable situations.

You just found out your dad is gay? Make a joke about it.

A girl who you chased across the country to date broke it off? Toss off a passing wisecrack to friends about it.

Another gal you were not only mildly interested in tells you she can't date because her dad shot himself in front of her? Non-sequitur into a joke about waffles.

Face it, kids: Marten's MO in situations where he has to face "the real world" is either humor, snark or smart-assery.

Welu:
I took Marten's want more as simple than shallow. He's definitely thinking about things but is starting small with things he can achieve and then work up to what he really wants to do with himself. I also agree with wanting to see Faye give him his haircut.


--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 02 Aug 2011, 08:26 ---Are there any ladies reading this? Do you consider Marten a guy you'd love to date?

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Well, in terms of passiveness, my boyfriend is quite like Marten. I'm a mostly recovered ball of issues so being with someone very grounded works well for me. Our biggest compatibility is our sense of humour and that's the big thing that attracted me to him.
Marten's main goal is his music, playing guitar but he's said himself he's not so good at writing songs and the band's been disbanded (Couldn't help myself) for a long time. It's a want in the back of his mind that's gone on hold. My boyfriend wants to be a comedy writer, which he's slowly working towards but unlike Marten, he's constantly doing little steps, rather than just wanting. My boyfriend's goal is related to his sense of humour but his goal is not what caught my attention.
That said, a nice, sweet guy who I can joke with and have a bunch of things in common with but not everything, so we can introduce each other to new things and always have stuff to talk about, is pretty awesome to me. Luckily I have that so I don't need to swoon over fictional Marten.  :-P

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