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What IS a good reason to love someone?

They love you back.
- 43 (20.2%)
They're funny.
- 24 (11.3%)
They're smart.
- 29 (13.6%)
They're good looking.
- 4 (1.9%)
Nice smile.
- 4 (1.9%)
Nice bod.
- 1 (0.5%)
Great in bed.
- 9 (4.2%)
Family likes them.
- 1 (0.5%)
Same worldview as you.
- 24 (11.3%)
Same church/synagogue/whatever as you.
- 0 (0%)
They actually show INTEREST in you!
- 32 (15%)
Same racist murdercult as you.
- 9 (4.2%)
Same music tastes as you.
- 1 (0.5%)
They like waffles!
- 7 (3.3%)
They like taking polls in webcomic forums.
- 5 (2.3%)
They're breathing.
- 10 (4.7%)
No reason.
- 10 (4.7%)

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #200 on: 22 Dec 2011, 08:28 »

Does the poll refer to the feeling one has for somebody else, or to the state of a relationship between two persons? For the first one, I consider "loves you back" as completely unnecessary and kind of a bad reason, but it would be essential for the second.
Also the loved one being dead would certainly harm the latter, but not the first definition.
However I picked worldviews, showing interest (since how else would you check if your "worldviews" fit together) and taking polls.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #201 on: 22 Dec 2011, 09:48 »

Love is....
(snip)

thank you for that. it was so wonderfully worded and so true. (can i make it my poll answer???  :-P)


Aside from love itself, they also need to have the same basic lifegoals as you. People who are ambitious wont harmonize with a common slob. People who view moneymaking as a great way to spend your life wont harmonize a lot with people who seek for knowledge. I choose "worldview" as the closest match instead, but its really hardly the same.

Whaaaaaat. You can't just say that. What do "ambitious" and "common slob" even mean? A person who enjoys a relaxing job which allows them to pursue their hobbies isn't necessarily considered ambitious, but I don't see how that makes them incompatible with an ambitious person. Ambitious people are competitive. Have you ever had to compete with your partner so you felt worthy of dating them? It suuuuuuucks.

It's counter-intuitive for an ambitious person to date a relaxed person, since it sounds a bit like dating someone "worse" than you to feel happy. However, it's not about being better or worse, it's about the fact that the relaxed person doesn't care, and nullifies the competition - nobody feels insecure or needs to make the other feel bad. I'm not in favour of one pairing over another, just offering another perspective.

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I think ambition, money and knowledge are almost as superficial qualities as beauty when it comes to romance.

while i don't neccesarily agree with everything snubnose said (i think the moneymaking/knowledge pairing was a bit off....they don't really have to be completely separate), i think ambitious can be simplified in this sense to someone who wants some sort of meaning in their life- be it from work, hobbies, volunteering, etc. you don't have to be a workaholic to be considered ambitious, just someone who always strives for improvement. as for the "meaning" of common slob? i'm assuming you really were serious, so here we go: how about someone who floats through life with no direction, no passion and no drive to make something better for themselves? let's look at 2 examples-

i have an ex that works dead end job after dead end job, constantly complains about his life, has 3 kids by 3 different mothers and has been married and divorced twice. His idea of a good night is making it through a 12 pack. He's 26. I thank my lucky stars that we did not last.

While i'm not living my ideal life, i am engaged to a wonderful man, i've had a steady job for 4+ years, i make enough money to pay all my bills and save up to pay for the wedding of my dreams with my future husband (without using credit cards or loans). I have a college education, a close circle of friends, hobbies that i love doing and attainable goals for the future. I'm not the most ambitious person in the world, but I'm doing what works for me and not simply settling with the worst case scenario.

i also don't quite agree that ambition and knowledge are as superficial as beauty. those things are qualities that we posses based on our personalities- those things that make us desirable to our partners. knowledge is not something you are born with- you have to seek it and work hard for it. one could argue that you have to work for ambition too. if you don't nurture it with motivation and means, ambition can actually be a pretty depressing thing.

out of curiosity....do you find a sense of humor to be superficial as well?
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #202 on: 22 Dec 2011, 11:01 »

Well, one crisis averted by Dr. Pantsless, only to have another crisis created

But then you know what they say


A Cookie Bag shared is a Cookie Bag quickly eaten   :-D



Seriously though, it's nice to see Marten giving good advice - pantsless or not - and all it cost Faye was a bag of cookies and not the $100 an hour it would have probably cost to visit Dr. Corrine.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #203 on: 22 Dec 2011, 11:49 »

I voted for "breathing." I know there are some people who think that's just an obvious qualification and skipped it, but I'd posit said have never seen that documentary about Lovedolls.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #204 on: 22 Dec 2011, 12:02 »

out of curiosity....do you find a sense of humor to be superficial as well?

Ah, ok, I see what you mean about ambition - but then I don't think the opposite of ambition is necessarily irresponsible with no interests. I was thinking, like, stay-at-home-Dad opposite-of-ambitious.

Maybe superficial wasn't a good word? I mean, I don't think people are born with conventional beauty necessarily - a lot of it takes work. You have to eat healthy and exercise (unless you have a killer metabolism), as well as be clean and well-groomed, and have a decent sense of fashion. Although I'd probably like to date someone with knowledge and a sense of humour, not everyone would say things like that are dealbreakers in a relationship the way most would say dishonesty is a dealbreaker. Knowledge, money and a sense of humour are all attractive things about a person, but not everyone values them the same.  And like a beautiful person might love an ugly person, a smart person might love an idiot - seen it happen, quite successfully.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #205 on: 22 Dec 2011, 12:42 »

Better late than never - well except if you are a fireman or a paramedic or ..... leeets not go there.

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #206 on: 22 Dec 2011, 14:45 »

I had a friend who used to write what he called tetra-dactyls, little poems of just four lines with four dactylic feet each line

Actually, that's a fairly well-known form under the name of "double dactyl."  (I've personally known about it since the early '70s).

The best one I've ever heard:

Dopplera, dopplera,
Anna Karenina,
Guilt and illicit love's
Sorrow she feels.

Train on the track nears the
Station where Anna K.
Perepodvodits'ya*
under the wheels.

*This is an obscure Russian verb that translates as "causes herself to be hurled forward."
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #207 on: 22 Dec 2011, 16:22 »

I'm probably super late on this, but did Faye break her glasses? Or did she just put tape on it to be ironic?
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #208 on: 22 Dec 2011, 16:30 »

Actually, Padma broke Faye's glasses.

She was supposed to block.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #209 on: 22 Dec 2011, 21:15 »

So Momo is a computer with legs, right?

Then why is she consuming text data through a massively inefficient optical method? She could just jack an eBook into her skull and have processed it in half a femptosecond.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #210 on: 22 Dec 2011, 21:21 »

Because she likes reading?
Because the author was being a contrarian dick that day and insisted that the book was only printed and never distributed electronically?
Because she works in a library, maybe?
because any number of reasons, that's why.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #211 on: 22 Dec 2011, 21:28 »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

D'aaawwwwwwwwwwwww.

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #212 on: 22 Dec 2011, 21:35 »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

D'aaawwwwwwwwwwwww.

 :lol:

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #213 on: 22 Dec 2011, 21:43 »

So Momo is a computer with legs, right? Then why is she consuming text data through a massively inefficient optical method? She could just jack an eBook into her skull and have processed it in half a femptosecond.
It's Marigold's book and she doesn't have a skull-jack?

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #214 on: 22 Dec 2011, 22:57 »

Ladies and Gentlemen,

D'aaawwwwwwwwwwwww.

 :lol:

x2. ;)
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #215 on: 22 Dec 2011, 23:15 »

Ah, Momo, you poor, naive, trusting fool...
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #216 on: 22 Dec 2011, 23:19 »

Wow way to bring the room down, negative nancy.

Momo is finally understanding her place in the great network of life.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #217 on: 22 Dec 2011, 23:21 »

Humanity loves you to Momo
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #218 on: 22 Dec 2011, 23:26 »

First thought: ... "Well...at least one of the intelligences does."

Second: (Ghostbusters voice)

WHO SHE TRYIN' TO CATCH?!
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #219 on: 23 Dec 2011, 00:49 »

Freedom and champagne are the rights of all sentient beings!
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #220 on: 23 Dec 2011, 00:53 »

So Momo is a computer with legs, right?

Then why is she consuming text data through a massively inefficient optical method? She could just jack an eBook into her skull and have processed it in half a femptosecond.
Perhaps this book exists only in print. You know, so if (when) things go horribly wrong, the small, cowering remnant of humanity can read about how our electronic overlords tricked us into repeating the Pandora thing.

Or, less cynically, maybe it's a coffee-table book someone gave Marigold, possibly because they were dead certain it was something she wouldn't by for herself. It's difficult to gift the technically inclined if you're not.

Anyway, in the spirit of the troubling optimism of the season and this strip, Gary bless us, everybeing. Peace on earth, and goodwill to all.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #221 on: 23 Dec 2011, 01:17 »

Momo for fuck's sake, legendary Pokemons are serious business, get off of her

Also if the Sweet-Tits storyline is not about her and Yelling Bird's drunken Vegas wedding officiated by a racist murdercult, I will be disappoint
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #222 on: 23 Dec 2011, 02:28 »

legendary Pokemons are serious business, get off of her

Heyy, Momo is having a moment here! Marigold can always restart from her last save fi-

Oh wait, Entei is one of those roaming type Pokémon which shows up randomly. Never mind. :P
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #223 on: 23 Dec 2011, 03:58 »

legendary Pokemons are serious business, get off of her

Heyy, Momo is having a moment here! Marigold can always restart from her last save fi-

Oh wait, Entei is one of those roaming type Pokémon which shows up randomly. Never mind. :P

Fast Asleep Entei
Can't Escape Raikou
Still Fleeing Suicune

Also, anyone find it ironic that it turns from Momo reading about AI civil rights and one AI's request to experience freedom to Marigold capturing AI sprites in a game that confines "animals" in a small metallic sphere?
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #224 on: 23 Dec 2011, 04:02 »

Is that the right thread for this? I'm sorry I haven't stepped outside WCDT for a while.

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #225 on: 23 Dec 2011, 04:16 »

(I moved the above post here, because it seemed the best place for something that addressed the specific comic.)
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #226 on: 23 Dec 2011, 04:40 »

Merry Christmas to all.

And if you do not celebrate - best of the season.

Peace on Earth and good will to our fellows.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #227 on: 23 Dec 2011, 04:57 »

Today's comic made me go "d'awwwww", followed by a severe coughing fit where I may have hawked up one of my lungs...

Anywho, in the spirit of the season, Happy Holidays folks, hope its a good one!
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #228 on: 23 Dec 2011, 05:08 »

Let's all break open the champagne and invite the appliances!

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #229 on: 23 Dec 2011, 05:58 »

The fridge won't join in, it's in AA, three years sober...   :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #230 on: 23 Dec 2011, 06:00 »

Today's comic made me go "d'awwwww", followed by a severe coughing fit where I may have hawked up one of my lungs...

me too! 'tis the season, i suppose.....

Best wishes to everyone for a wonderful holiday season filled with good food, good friends and a good decongestant. 




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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #231 on: 23 Dec 2011, 06:41 »

So Momo is a computer with legs, right?

Then why is she consuming text data through a massively inefficient optical method? She could just jack an eBook into her skull and have processed it in half a femptosecond.

Because she's an artificial intelligence, not a computer with legs.

The acquisition of knowledge takes more than a simple upload of information--that's one of the many things that bothered me about The Matrix. Our body of knowledge is not only that which we learn, but also the experience of learning it--including, significantly, our response to it.

Part of it has to do with the basic storage functions of the brain--as we experience any given stimuli, we highlight certain elements, diminish others, and organize the important ones according to the pre-existing structure of our minds (which structure may also be altered by the incoming information). Our memories are created by association with pre-existing memories; the more connections to existing memories and concepts that a new experience enjoys, the more easily-accessible and important that new memory will be (this is also why there are so many triggers for those ridiculous little embarrassing memories that make you want to stab yourself in the head with a fork when there's no logical reason for you to have remembered them--there's a lot of psychological energy devoted to them, and every single detail is linked to everything it can be). Memory and knowledge are, basically, like doing a wikislide inside your brain.

That said, the intake process has to be slowed down, or else, instead of establishing those connections, even for a being like Momo, with her increased mental capacity, it would be more like the eight hundred public-domain classic novels we all have sitting on our hard drives--often in .txt format from the early days of the internet--just waiting for us to finally read the damn things, as we've been promising ourselves we intend to do for many, many years.

That said, the real answer is probably just that, if she had done an instant upload, as you suggest, Jeph would have had to express that in some visual way that didn't look like Momo was possessed by some sort of electronic demon, to say nothing of ignoring the disconnect between the time necessary for such an upload and the extra time we meat-based comic readers need to upload the same information into our tiny meat-brains. Also, she's reading a book instead of a tablet or some similar device for the same reason the save icon in a variety of programs is a 3.5" floppy disc: it's a symbol that has been culturally accepted as having a particular socially-constant meaning, thus providing artists a shorthand for conveying that meaning.

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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #232 on: 23 Dec 2011, 06:54 »

What IS a good reason to love someone?

They love you back.    - 32 (20.5%)
They're funny.    - 18 (11.5%)
They're smart.    - 21 (13.5%)
They're good looking.    - 2 (1.3%)
Nice smile.    - 2 (1.3%)
Nice bod.    - 0 (0%)
Great in bed.    - 6 (3.8%)
Family likes them.    - 1 (0.6%)
Same worldview as you.    - 20 (12.8%)
Same church/synagogue/whatever as you.    - 0 (0%)
They actually show INTEREST in you!    - 23 (14.7%)
Same racist murdercult as you.    - 6 (3.8%)
Same music tastes as you.    - 0 (0%)
They like waffles!    - 4 (2.6%)
They like taking polls in webcomic forums.    - 4 (2.6%)
They're breathing.    - 8 (5.1%)
No reason.    - 9 (5.8%)

Total Voters: 62
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #233 on: 23 Dec 2011, 07:00 »

What IS a good reason to love someone?

Because they are FrozenPeas.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #234 on: 23 Dec 2011, 07:04 »

Is that the right thread for this? I'm sorry I haven't stepped outside WCDT for a while.

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I trust Marigold would be smart enough to use a Gallade with False Swipe and Mean Look which it would have acquired as a breeding move from having a Gengar as a father.

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« Reply #235 on: 23 Dec 2011, 08:08 »

Is that the right thread for this? I'm sorry I haven't stepped outside WCDT for a while.

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I trust Marigold would be smart enough to use a Gallade with False Swipe and Mean Look which it would have acquired as a breeding move from having a Gengar as a father.

/nerd

Well of course she would, she's not a scrub. She knows her Pokémon.

But you can't do fuckin' anything when your dumb robot pal is epiphany-glomping you like a tin can full of feelings. Rude, Momo. Rude.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #236 on: 23 Dec 2011, 08:18 »

*sniffle*

I've got something in my eye.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #237 on: 23 Dec 2011, 08:20 »

If you use Mean Look, Entei will use Roar, though.
That's why she used Hypnosis. Little did she know that Entei can flee while sleeping (which is bullshit if you ask me, what were they thinking).
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #238 on: 23 Dec 2011, 08:46 »

*sniffle*

I've got something in my eye.

I got something where my lung used to be.....I think its either Christmas Cheer.....or my spleen....
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #239 on: 23 Dec 2011, 09:10 »

Dream World Gothitelle with Taunt. That's how you nullify both at once.

Gothitelle's ability, Shadow Tag, passively prevents Entei from fleeing. So all it has to do is block Roar, which can be done through Taunt because Roar is not a damaging attack.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #240 on: 23 Dec 2011, 10:35 »

But Taunt may force to use Entei Struggle earlier than usual, thereby killing it, no?
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #241 on: 23 Dec 2011, 10:41 »

It would. What you need to do is use both Gothitelle and Gallade.

Lead with Gothitelle and Taunt Entei.
While Entei is taunted, swap to Gallade. It can't use Roar because of Taunt, and can't flee because it thinks Shadow Tag is up, so it will use an attack (Fire Blast?).
Immediately Mean Look. Taunt will still be up, so Entei cannot Roar, and it won't be able to flee from Mean Look.
Hypnosis it. Now it's asleep, taunted, and locked in.
Refresh Taunt with Gallade as it falls and re-sleep as necessary, using False Swipe when not refreshing statuses.

(Taunt is required because Entei gets an attack when it wakes up, and if not taunted that will be a Roar)
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #242 on: 23 Dec 2011, 11:20 »

Not that I ever had much respect for Pokemon to begin with, but it lost what smattering of dignity it had when they started introducing monsters like "Gothitelle".

Also, there's a forum for discussing this stuff.

Also also, regarding today's comic, I'll add my voice to the chorus of d'awwwwwwws (d'aww-rus?).
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #243 on: 23 Dec 2011, 11:37 »

The whole stuff sounds like a TED Talk. It's alike, in style, to Steven Pinker's Talk on The Myth of Violence. In which, interestingly, he cites works of fiction as a possible cause for the trend for violence to go down, when it allows us to walk in the shoes of people different from ourselves.

It's one of my favorite TED Talks ever, I encourage you to give it a shot.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #244 on: 23 Dec 2011, 11:41 »

Also, there's a forum for discussing this stuff.

Actually, one of the fascinating things about discussing the comic here is the way that it leads to such varied discussions at the end of the week (or even before).
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #245 on: 23 Dec 2011, 12:34 »

She could just put the DS aside, you don't need to make your moves in a specific time frame in those games.
Also, in what game can you catch Entei with a Gothitelle.
I always use 1. Mean Look, 2. Hypnosis, 3. Flash/Sand-Attack, repeat 2+3 as necessary.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #246 on: 23 Dec 2011, 12:42 »

Shouldn't she have a 3DS by now?
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #247 on: 23 Dec 2011, 12:52 »

Maybe Marigold is like me and considers the 3DS terribly overrated. Whenever I use it (I myself don't have one, but when at friends or the mall) I can only turn up the 3D-effect up to half, otherwise my eyes start burning.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #248 on: 23 Dec 2011, 13:02 »

Maybe Marigold is like me

Maybe...

We all want to be a little bit like Marigold, inside... and we all think that Marigold is just a little bit like us, too.
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Re: WCDT 2081-85 (Christmas Week - Dec. 19-23, 2011)
« Reply #249 on: 23 Dec 2011, 13:28 »

It would explain a lot. Mostly awkward things.

I'd count the 3DS to DS in general, but I think that's technically wrong.
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