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WCDT January 9-13, 2012 (2096-2100)
Soulsynger:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2012, 23:20 ---Marten fucked up this time; Padma instigated the problem, yes, but Marten really had the crowning fuck-up here. Instead of be the bigger person, instead of actually being a nice dude, he acted like a prick and now he will reap the prick harvest. I can't really say anything to dump on him, dude dumped on himself. And Faye is rightfully not letting him off.
I recognize Marten is a good dude usually, but the magnitude of one's virtue does not excuse one when one sins. It weighs against it, yes: I'd never call Marten the villain, not even here, and his actions had reasons behind them...but they were wrooooooonnnnnggggg
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I feel like I've been trying to say that since the beginning, thanks, man =)
... also, JEPH IS RUININ' MAH WEEKENDS!
--- Quote from: Dust on 12 Jan 2012, 23:28 ---Is it just me, or are a lot of the reactions (in-strip and out) predicated around it being a relationship, when it was (initially) an on-off casual thing?
(I guess that makes them.. casualties. Sorry)
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/slap
... and I think after reading some of the stuff Padma said during that ON-OFF-sex-relationship that, to her, by the end it must've felt more like unwillingly-ON than fun-OFF... ~~
truestatic:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2012, 23:20 ---
--- Quote from: Torlek on 12 Jan 2012, 22:37 ---
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2012, 22:06 ---TONIGHT'S FORECAST:
woman-blaming and sexist horseshit
woman-blaming everywhere
*ollies outy*
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Don't forget the Marten-hate. There will be plenty of Marten-hate.
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I find this hilarious because I am like self-appointed chief officer in charge of Marten-hate.
Which isn't really Marten-hate, because I like Marten, but I think that people are really eager to absolve him of all responsibility for the problems in his life, and instead blame them on the women around him! Which is incredibly sexist and stupid! And then I get all schadenfreudey when shit happens to him and it's just this vicious cycle and
The point is
Marten fucked up this time; Padma instigated the problem, yes, but Marten really had the crowning fuck-up here. Instead of be the bigger person, instead of actually being a nice dude, he acted like a prick and now he will reap the prick harvest. I can't really say anything to dump on him, dude dumped on himself. And Faye is rightfully not letting him off.
I recognize Marten is a good dude usually, but the magnitude of one's virtue does not excuse one when one sins. It weighs against it, yes: I'd never call Marten the villain, not even here, and his actions had reasons behind them...but they were wrooooooonnnnnggggg
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I feel the way I feel about Marten and Padma because of what they did and who the protagonist is, not because if their equipment. If Marten had done what Padma did, or Padma was the protagonist, I might feel differently, but I hate the implication that I can't say that I think a character screwed up because a criticism of them is an implied criticism of their gender. From my point of view, Padma acted really poorly, and while a saint may have absolved her of any wrongdoing, I don't think Marten owed her that.
Napoleon_Blownapart:
I just had an interesting thought.
If this story was about a woman who stood up for herself against a thoughtless dude who led her on by rejecting him using the "sorry I'm busy" method, there would be people here who would get very upset if the notion was suggested that she acted like a "bitch" to the guy. That would be a sexist misogynist attitude, right? Yet the consensus here seems to be that Marten is acting like an "asshole" by standing up for himself and refusing to let his heart be ripped out through his anus one more time.
What I'm really trying to say is that the people who think Marten is an asshole, probably also believe that being the "bigger person" means allowing yourself to be further crushed by listening to the self-serving apologetic crap spouted by the girl who screwed with you, while your own anger and accusation of thoughtlessness on the girl's part ellicits a shrug and a "So I made a mistake! I am what I am." reply. I say that people who think Marten is being a jerk are just misandrists who think that men should bend over and take it when they get hurt by women.
Tova:
Not right... not even wrong. It makes my head hurt just trying to read it.
truestatic:
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 12 Jan 2012, 23:49 ---I just had an interesting thought.
If this story was about a woman who stood up for herself against a thoughtless dude who led her on by rejecting him using the "sorry I'm busy" method, there would be people here who would get very upset if the notion was suggested that she acted like a "bitch" to the guy. That would be a sexist misogynist attitude, right? Yet the consensus here seems to be that Marten is acting like an "asshole" by standing up for himself and refusing to let his heart be ripped out through his anus one more time.
What I'm really trying to say is that the people who think Marten is an asshole, probably also believe that being the "bigger person" means allowing yourself to be further crushed by listening to the self-serving apologetic crap spouted by the girl who screwed with you, while your own anger and accusation of thoughtlessness on the girl's part ellicits a shrug and a "So I made a mistake! I am what I am." reply. I say that people who think Marten is being a jerk are just misandrists who think that men should bend over and take it when they get hurt by women.
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I don't know if I'd go quite that far. While hypotheticals can be fun, I'd avoid using them as solid justification for any position. Best that they're treated with restraint. We all know how we'd like to think we'd react if situations were reversed, but unless they actually are reversed, all we've got is guesses and wishes.
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