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WCDT January 9-13, 2012 (2096-2100)
Napoleon_Blownapart:
I just thought I'd throw that bomb out there because everybody is so quick to call Marten an asshole.
NotsoAverageJoe:
--- Quote from: MrJangles on 12 Jan 2012, 23:08 ---No matter what, Marten will end up miserable. Whether through his own action or from Faye/Dora making him miserable for being an ass. A justified ass, but an ass nonetheless.
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id actually like this to be a sort of turning point for him. that he'll stop second guessing himself quite so much and use this whole episode as some sort of twisted therapy to stop creating so much self-regret.
ffs marty, stop being so passive, start standing up for your decisions and accept responsibility for them, despite what the admirably strong women in your life think.
NotsoAverageJoe:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2012, 23:20 ---
--- Quote from: Torlek on 12 Jan 2012, 22:37 ---
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2012, 22:06 ---TONIGHT'S FORECAST:
woman-blaming and sexist horseshit
woman-blaming everywhere
*ollies outy*
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Don't forget the Marten-hate. There will be plenty of Marten-hate.
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I find this hilarious because I am like self-appointed chief officer in charge of Marten-hate.
Which isn't really Marten-hate, because I like Marten, but I think that people are really eager to absolve him of all responsibility for the problems in his life, and instead blame them on the women around him! Which is incredibly sexist and stupid! And then I get all schadenfreudey when shit happens to him and it's just this vicious cycle and
The point is
Marten fucked up this time; Padma instigated the problem, yes, but Marten really had the crowning fuck-up here. Instead of be the bigger person, instead of actually being a nice dude, he acted like a prick and now he will reap the prick harvest. I can't really say anything to dump on him, dude dumped on himself. And Faye is rightfully not letting him off.
I recognize Marten is a good dude usually, but the magnitude of one's virtue does not excuse one when one sins. It weighs against it, yes: I'd never call Marten the villain, not even here, and his actions had reasons behind them...but they were wrooooooonnnnnggggg
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whoa whoa whoa...
you reap what you sow.
why should it always fall on marten to be the nice guy? i actually don't see much wrong in what he did, from his perspective padma simply used him as a last hurrah. he was justifiably angry, and to be honest, i don't see how padma deserves marten being nice in response to her treatment of him.
only so many times you can turn the other cheek before they're so raw it'd actually be harmful for you to keep doing it.
as for the gender-bias thing going on here... double-standards are a wonderful thing aren't they? when a woman gets out of the dating game after a rough breakup, she's given sympathy and comfort. when a guy does the same thing, he's weak and indecisive. if the roles were reversed Marten would be the asshole for stringing her along and she'd be viewed as justified in blowing him off, because after all, being a man, of course he just used her to get his junk wet one last time before moving. but since she was the initiator, not him, she's automatically absolved of much of the fault that, rightfully, is hers to shoulder.
and is it any wonder that the other women in his life are giving him grief? from a character viewpoint, they are able to see her side far more easily than his, which automatically puts him at a disadvantage in any dealings with them about the whole affair.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: innermoppet on 12 Jan 2012, 23:12 ---Where is Faye's scar? :-o
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Jeph has suggested that it has faded with time and only shows up in certain lighting conditions.
Marten could have had a final fling with Padma without creating bad enabling dynamics in the relationship, because in any event the relationship (if it can be called one) would be over the next day no matter what.
akronnick:
Or when he remembers to draw it, which is only when it's important to the plot, which hasn't been for a while now.
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