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WCDT: 2146-50 (19-23 Mar 2012) QC IN SPAAAAAACE... Week NINE?!?!?!?!?
J:
--- Quote from: Milesb on 23 Mar 2012, 04:49 ---I think that seems to be the difference between Marigold and Hannelore - Marigold does give up a bit easily and she feels sorry for herself more readily than Hanners seems to.
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well that's it right there. the thing is that hannelore is really a lot tougher than she seems; she's got some intense, arguably crippling mental problems, and yet she's still standing. she makes progress, deals with setbacks, and occasionally tucks her head down and powers through her issues by brute force of will. the lady's a fighter, & through it all she remains cheerful.
on the other hand, marigold's problems are all ones that just about everyone has had at various points in their lives, and she is almost completely ruled by them. as soon as things don't go her way, she just gives up and crumples into a heap of self-pity.
arguably the strongest character in the strip is bffs with arguably the weakest.
Kenyahp:
Well, thats the point, isn't it? Jeph has created characters that fit real life personalities. They are larger than life, but at the same time we can all relate. We've all been friends with someone the complete opposite of us. Hell, my best friend and I are completely different and I couldn't live without her. And, I think they are weak and strong in different ways, really. Perhaps Hannelore shows her strength of will more, but Marigold is also working hard at changing herself. She is more sociable, more open, and is trying to get out of her shell.
I think Marigold IS the person with the problems that everyone has had for a reason. We can more easily relate and feel sympathy to someone like Marigold. She has crippling self esteem NOT because of mental issues such as Hanners but because of basing her outside world experience on what the internet and gaming has taught her they should be. You spend your whole life on the internet, its harder to walk outside and have a conversation and laugh with people because you always think "Well, when are they going to insult me or be mean or go away for a game".
Perhaps Hannelore has stronger things to overcome because of her mental illness. But, Marigold still has issues that do hurt her to overcome and shes doing it in a way that we can relate to: Quietly, gradually, and with bumps along the way. I think all the characters are overcoming things in their own way instead of just wallowing and not admitting problems. Thats strength to me.
Dammit, I keep ranting.
TheBiscuit:
--- Quote from: techkid on 23 Mar 2012, 04:08 ---Her relationships with guys are pretty limited (WoW and family notwithstanding): yaoi and slash fiction (yeah, not real, but people are weird like that sometimes), that guy that used to rile her up about her WoW character (I forgot his name, my memory sucks), and recently Marten. I don't remember if there was anything that could be called "intimate" in her life, and my guess is she just doesn't know how to handle it.
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She may not know how to handle it, but she's always seemed eager enough. The guy is still interested, she's being very foolish. Mind you, in any sane universe she'd plenty of options. She's a female gamer. That's a position of power in the dating world.
J:
--- Quote from: Kenyahp on 23 Mar 2012, 08:59 ---Well, thats the point, isn't it? Jeph has created characters that fit real life personalities. They are larger than life, but at the same time we can all relate. We've all been friends with someone the complete opposite of us. Hell, my best friend and I are completely different and I couldn't live without her. And, I think they are weak and strong in different ways, really. Perhaps Hannelore shows her strength of will more, but Marigold is also working hard at changing herself. She is more sociable, more open, and is trying to get out of her shell.
I think Marigold IS the person with the problems that everyone has had for a reason. We can more easily relate and feel sympathy to someone like Marigold. She has crippling self esteem NOT because of mental issues such as Hanners but because of basing her outside world experience on what the internet and gaming has taught her they should be. You spend your whole life on the internet, its harder to walk outside and have a conversation and laugh with people because you always think "Well, when are they going to insult me or be mean or go away for a game".
Perhaps Hannelore has stronger things to overcome because of her mental illness. But, Marigold still has issues that do hurt her to overcome and shes doing it in a way that we can relate to: Quietly, gradually, and with bumps along the way. I think all the characters are overcoming things in their own way instead of just wallowing and not admitting problems. Thats strength to me.
Dammit, I keep ranting.
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hard habit to break aint it?
i get what you're saying for the most part and i don't really disagree, but i just don't sympathize with marigold very much. not because of the mundane nature of her problems, but rather because she never seems to do anything about them. the (not insignificant) progress she's made has all been due to someone else pushing her, rather than her own initiative.
if someone's working to overcome their problems, i'm in their corner all the way. doesn't matter how big the problem is, or even whether they succeed or fail. but if they don't want it enough to fight for it, then i've just got no time for them.
Carl-E:
There comes a point in time where, after trying to help someone who's unwilling to change for the umtieth time, one just gives up.
Hanners hasn't given up yet, and Marigold has been making changes in her life, but glacial progress can be as infuriating as no progress at all.
So basically, this is a testament to Hanner's friendship, that she's still willing to drag Mari out of her bed of woe (again) and get her out of the self-pity cycle and uinto the real world, a place she's having as much (if not more) trouble conquering.
I think she's my hero...
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