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WCDT: 2146-50 (19-23 Mar 2012) QC IN SPAAAAAACE... Week NINE?!?!?!?!?

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iduguphergrave:
Actually I can see Marigold progress in this comic. She didn't actively argue with Hanners when she said "You're not an idiot." "Meh" might be a short step up, but she's thinking. And it looks like she's also allowing herself to be cheered up. Some people change slowly; remember Mar-bear pretty much started out from the bottom.

Kenyahp:

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--- Quote from: techkid on 23 Mar 2012, 04:08 ---Her relationships with guys are pretty limited (WoW and family notwithstanding): yaoi and slash fiction (yeah, not real, but people are weird like that sometimes), that guy that used to rile her up about her WoW character (I forgot his name, my memory sucks), and recently Marten. I don't remember if there was anything that could be called "intimate" in her life, and my guess is she just doesn't know how to handle it.

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She may not know how to handle it, but she's always seemed eager enough. The guy is still interested, she's being very foolish. Mind you, in any sane universe she'd plenty of options. She's a female gamer. That's a position of power in the dating world.

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Since when? Marigold also has that shes a complete cutey. If all it took to get a boyfriend was being a gamer girl and having a tiny bit of confidence, I'd be crawling in guys right now. Unfortunately, you gotta be hot, too.
Yes, that is bitterness you see. I get sick of guys complaining about being friendzoned when the girls they want are way attractive and the girls they don't want are perfect personalities for them but not super hot. Not that you were complaining or even said anything about that. I'm just saying, gamer girls have just as much trouble as normal girls.

On a side note...I think the big thing is that Marigold didn't have any support to get out there to begin with. She does computer stuff for a living AND a hobby. She lives in an apartment with one other person who's social circle wasn't very large, either, if the fact that hes introduced no friends is any indication. I think Hanners and her circle were like a catalyst to her change-enzyme. Shes just a slow enzyme is all. Hannelore, on the other hand, was...some super combustible and long-burning chemical. I don't know. I ran outta analogy. And, its not like Hanners hasn't had help, either. Yes, she left on her own, but she kept her apartment to her OCD standards and her OCD was her job. Similar to Marigold keeping to her internet standards and her internet was her job. Different problems, different severity, so the change will come differently and in different amounts.

Kinda like if you filled a barrel with water and a bucket with water. They're both full. Take half away and they've both had a lot taken from them, but the barrel is more noticeable, simply because there was more amounts of water. Water being problems.

Milesb:
Kenyahp, I disagree with a kind of central point in what you're saying (if I'm reading it correctly) - It kind of reads to me like you're saying Marigold hasn't had any support and that's why she's like that? Because that would typify the difference - Hanners is taking responsibility for her condition, where as Marigold isn't.

Support or not, the decision to act and to improve yourself is one you make on your own and if you don't decide to do that then no amount of outside help will make any lasting improvement. I don't see a huge amount of Marigold development here to be honest. She's not dealing with her screw up, getting back up and doing something, she's blaming herself and wallowing in self pity, even in the face of Hanners, a woman with a bunch of issues herself who gets up every day and tries to better herself. If I was Hannerelore I'd get a bit pissed with Marigold's attitude.

She's not even replying to her properly. "Meh" ? "No. Wanna Sleep." ? What kind of way is that to speak to someone who's clearly trying to help you?

Kenyahp:

--- Quote from: Milesb on 23 Mar 2012, 12:17 ---Kenyahp, I disagree with a kind of central point in what you're saying (if I'm reading it correctly) - It kind of reads to me like you're saying Marigold hasn't had any support and that's why she's like that? Because that would typify the difference - Hanners is taking responsibility for her condition, where as Marigold isn't.

Support or not, the decision to act and to improve yourself is one you make on your own and if you don't decide to do that then no amount of outside help will make any lasting improvement. I don't see a huge amount of Marigold development here to be honest. She's not dealing with her screw up, getting back up and doing something, she's blaming herself and wallowing in self pity, even in the face of Hanners, a woman with a bunch of issues herself who gets up every day and tries to better herself. If I was Hannerelore I'd get a bit pissed with Marigold's attitude.

She's not even replying to her properly. "Meh" ? "No. Wanna Sleep." ? What kind of way is that to speak to someone who's clearly trying to help you?

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No no, I was saying that until Hannelore came around no one was really around to tell her to get off her ass and hang out in the real world. Angus certainly didn't. Thats what I was going for. Hanners was a wreck but had Station and everyone on station to support her. Even if they weren't good at it.

I'm not saying Hannelore isn't super strong. I'm just saying that she has different problems. Hannelore is an adult and is acting like one. Maybe I understand Marigold's reactions because they are the reactions of a teenager. Self pity is what teens do best. And, if you live in the internet world, you're perpetually a teenager. I know this from experience. On the internet, playing wow, you don't have to grow up and out of your weird low-self-esteem-narcissism phase. Marigold doesn't have the social graces that allow her to be self confident and stand up from her mistakes. I think we are denying the fact that, up until Marten and friends, Hannelore really wasn't improving much beyond the fact that she had her own apartment. She developed vices such as smoking and drinking to cope rather than how she does it now. Hannelore has been around longer, also, than Marigold. If you search the beginning strips of her, you actually see change only coming on gradually. The major shift of touch took a really long time. And, Marbear has changed. Her interactions prove it. The fact that she accepted the invitation to come aboard in the first place, to me, speaks volumes. Hanners couldn't force her to go if she didn't want to. And, I think, thats the monumental change there. Accepting invitations for things that no one could force you to go to, such as to the bar, to a party, and to the space station. Sociophobia is a hard thing, in itself, to work around.

But, then again, I would agree that responses do come off as rude. But, they are best friends. At least she wasn't calling herself fat and ugly during it, too. Yelling at someone who can't help being sad and embarrassed doesn't help, so Hanners wasn't going to do it.

...dammit, I rant way too much. (I'm sorry!!!)

Bastion:

--- Quote from: Milesb on 23 Mar 2012, 12:17 ---Kenyahp, I disagree with a kind of central point in what you're saying (if I'm reading it correctly) - It kind of reads to me like you're saying Marigold hasn't had any support and that's why she's like that? Because that would typify the difference - Hanners is taking responsibility for her condition, where as Marigold isn't.

Support or not, the decision to act and to improve yourself is one you make on your own and if you don't decide to do that then no amount of outside help will make any lasting improvement. I don't see a huge amount of Marigold development here to be honest. She's not dealing with her screw up, getting back up and doing something, she's blaming herself and wallowing in self pity, even in the face of Hanners, a woman with a bunch of issues herself who gets up every day and tries to better herself. If I was Hannerelore I'd get a bit pissed with Marigold's attitude.

She's not even replying to her properly. "Meh" ? "No. Wanna Sleep." ? What kind of way is that to speak to someone who's clearly trying to help you?

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You have to keep in mind that Marigold is unused to any kind of conflict in her life. Yes, she may be hiding right now, but once she gets to a point where she is more experienced in making mistakes and having to face up to them, she will be more confident in herself and the way she carries herself around other people. I used to be the same exact way, especially around guys.  The key here is that Marigold needs to take baby steps. This was, I would say, a rather large step for her today as she isn't used to guys being attracted to her or being asked out.  It almost seems to have shocked her into regressing slightly.

You can say you actively choose to change yourself, but for someone as awkward as Marigold, it is a very slow process. Hanners began improving as a person long before Marigold did so she has a step up on her and is probably helping because she feels a sort of kinship with what Marigold is going through right now. Marbear will get her stuff sorted out, but it's going to be slow in coming, unlike Hanners. It seemed like after she met Marten and his gang of friends she started taking leaps and bounds towards improving herself. It's different for everybody the rate at which you improve and become comfortable in your own skin.

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