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"About last night...I was drunk, but I totally meant it."

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"I'm super into you. The whole shebang. Massive crush. Barfin' butterflies."

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"If it doesn't work out, hey, it happens. I wanna give it a try."

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"So, uh-* *SMOOOOOCH*

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Tai and Dora practice the call of the domesticated Marten

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"Is this normally what happens when people kiss?"

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"I hope not...I've been doing wrong this whole time"

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POWER HUG! (and a bruised sternum)

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"You promise you're okay with this?" "I promise. I'm happy for you guys"

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"Good...Right now I would happily sacrifice our friendship for more Dora-kisses"

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Marten appreciates brutal honesty

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"You're ok with this?" (again)

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SEE? HE'S SERIOUSLY OK WITH IT PEOPLE!!!! GOD!

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"I don't believe in altruism. You must have an angle." "I like seeing my friends happy."

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"It would make ME happy if you have me a hundred bucks." "Who says we're friends?" (burn)

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"WE'RE friends" (double burn)

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"Do you have a belly button?"

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"Of COURSE I-" *checks* "Yes, I do."

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BOOP!

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ANIMATED BOOP! (Emily will rule this comic)

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Total Members Voted: 58

[Soulsynger]

Tai isn't perfect, but she has more sense of social propriety than that, based on her past history in the comic.

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

[no one special]

Well, if this is any indication, maybe Dora should have kissed a girl along time ago. 'Cause she liked it. Wonder if Tai had on Cherry Chapstick. 

noooooooooo, should have quoted Jill Sobule instead!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4r41vPTF8k

I kissed a girl
For the first time
I kissed a girl
(And I may do it again)

Well I kissed a girl her lips were sweet
She was just like kissin' me but better
I kissed a girl
Kissed a girl won't change the world
But I'm so glad I kissed a girl

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Tai's super-weird moments have also always occurred in private settings, and she seems to differentiate pretty well between personal time and professional time, or at least as well as Dora ever has, lest we forget Spookybutt's long shenanigans-laden history of her own.

And no, getting high and watching Adventure Time does not count as weird. At most colleges, that is an essential part of any arts and/or humanities degree.

EDIT: COMIC! Look at that power hug. Tai triumphant is cute as hell. If dangerous.

[TinPenguin]

TAI YOU SO CUTE

Also, I love that Tai is so titchy that even a full-speed power hug leaves Marten still standing.

[pwhodges]

Brutal honesty indeed.

[Arancaytar]

Marten is still standing after that tackle? I conclude that either Tai weighs even less than she seems to, or he's got secret superpowers.

[Abyssalin]

As endearing as this latest comic is, a good enough Power hug should either knock you down or break a rib if you refuse to roll with it.

[Soulsynger]

The "power" in "Powerhug" seems to relate more to the level of enthusiasm of the person carrying it out than to its actual physical intensity (e.g. speed or momentum).

"Powerhug" will be Deathmole's new hit single and it will be about two friends brutalizing each other to death using honesty in the most metal way.
(The fact that I just wrote about brutal death metal in pink is hilarious to me.)

[Abyssalin]

Well to be honest i find Power Hug's to be a divisional of Enthusiasm over Speed and physical bulk.

However one must be careful of certain Enthusiasm caps, one can be small and skinny as Tai, but if they hit their maximum level of enthusiasm.. there's gonna be pain.

In other terms real life power hugs seldom work out well.

[akronnick]

When giving a power hug, it is important that the giver wraps his or her arms around the chest of the givee, never the neck.

Safety first, kids! 

[Tai Fanboi]

I am imagining that she ran the entire distance, from Coffee of Doom to the library, in that pose in panel 1. 

[LordVaughn]

Marten didn't fall because he was leaning on the counter. This should have at least resulted in bending backward, depending on exactly where the counter was in correlation to his back.. 

[Abyssalin]

It's funny how we've taken a simple gesture between friends into actual scientific territory.

I'm breaking out the whiteboards if this keeps up, there must be a proper calculation for this.

[Madmartigan]

We'll see how this goes because I still just dont see it from Dora's end anything other than
"what the hell, male relationships have failed and this cute butch girl wants me baaaad".

Waiting for Pintsize's thoughts or rather....sexual innuendos. 

[Abyssalin]

We'll see how this goes because I still just dont see it from Dora's end anything other than
"what the hell, male relationships have failed and this cute butch girl wants me baaaad".

Waiting for Pintsize's thoughts or rather....sexual innuendos.

I've got my money on him bringing out the fleshlight and making a scathing remark about Marten being single and Tai getting his "Sloppy seconds"

[snubnose]

Sooo ... Tai is happy.

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

I'm fairly sure in reallife, executives on the copy machine happen too.

They usually manage not to get caught, though.

[iduguphergrave]

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

After "In a world" I read that sentence in the dramatic sci-fi movie trailer guy voice. Just thought I'd share.

[techkid]

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

After "In a world" I read that sentence in the dramatic sci-fi movie trailer guy voice. Just thought I'd share.

That works. That totally works!

Tai with such enthusiasm is so cute, it's nauseating, but in a good way (barfing up butterflies immediately comes to mind). I hope Dora doesn't try to second-guess herself, Tai, Marten or anything, and just goes with the flow.

That being said, with the amount of talk and trolling going around... I hope Jeph doesn't pull an evil twist on us.

[WAYF]

Ok, Jeph is officially on a roll with this whole heartwarming thing. This has been a REALLY good week.
I can't decide which of Tai's four poses in this comic I like the best. I'll just go with ALL OF THEM.
(also, it might not come up often, but I can very easily believe the full body heights we've been given in the power hug, despite awkward/difficult-to-draw poses. Props for your drawing, Jeph.)

[TheEvilDog]

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

After "In a world" I read that sentence in the dramatic sci-fi movie trailer guy voice. Just thought I'd share.

So did I...... GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

[michael28]

We'll see how this goes because I still just dont see it from Dora's end anything other than
"what the hell, male relationships have failed and this cute butch girl wants me baaaad".

Waiting for Pintsize's thoughts or rather....sexual innuendos.

I've got my money on him bringing out the fleshlight and making a scathing remark about Marten being single and Tai getting his "Sloppy seconds"

Only if Milholland does a guest strip.

[Omega Entity]

Tai's 'brutal honesty' in the last panel sits very poorly with me. I've always been very meh about her, but this is certainly not winning her any points with me. I mean, nothing says that you value your friends more than blurting out how you'd throw them away for so little. [/sarcasm]

Then again, having been tossed aside by friends for boyfriends (and new friends), I'm probably a little hyper-sensitive to these things. But it still seems pretty damn crass for her to say something like that, imo.

[Method of Madness]

I don't think she really would, if it came to that. That is to say, she'd still date Dora, even if it meant no longer being friends with Marten, but I don't think she'd be happy about it.

[Abyssalin]

Tai's 'brutal honesty' in the last panel sits very poorly with me. I've always been very meh about her, but this is certainly not winning her any points with me. I mean, nothing says that you value your friends more than blurting out how you'd throw them away for so little. [/sarcasm]

Then again, having been tossed aside by friends for boyfriends (and new friends), I'm probably a little hyper-sensitive to these things. But it still seems pretty damn crass for her to say something like that, imo.

I totally see where you are coming from, however i don't think Tai was meaningfully saying this, I myself have blurted out on occasion about jokingly ditching friends for something, though i make it obviously jokey like say "Yeah, i mean if i were offered a one person trip around the world you'd be told to hop it",

[Soulsynger]

Ok, Jeph is officially on a roll with this whole heartwarming thing. This has been a REALLY good week.
[ ... ]

And immediately the atonal cinematic "DUNN DUNNNNNNNN" played in my head.

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

After "In a world" I read that sentence in the dramatic sci-fi movie trailer guy voice. Just thought I'd share.

So did I...... GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

No I can't UNTHINK it! Aaaaaah!

[Delator]

Regarding Dora and Tai, I am cautiously pessimistic. I hope it works out, but I suspect it won't.

Hope they let each other down gently.

I also do still worry about Marten. He says he's fine now...but give it a few weeks. 

Also...eagerly awaiting reactions from others, like Marigold, Sven, Steve, etc.

[VonKleist]

I wanna know whats up with Marigold and Science-Boy, godammit

[Mothykins]

Ok, Jeph is officially on a roll with this whole heartwarming thing. This has been a REALLY good week.

OH GOD NO I just realized. The whole week has been cute and sweet and fluffy. Which means Friday's page will inevitably be a wham episode that ends in tears.

(Also, Marten's face in the second panel. DAT FACE.)

[Sidhekin]

We'll see how this goes because I still just dont see it from Dora's end anything other than
"what the hell, male relationships have failed and this cute butch girl wants me baaaad".

Meh.  Good enough.

How did that quote go?  "As I grow older, I find the mistakes I regret the most, are those I didn't make."

(Probably not, but I've mislaid my source and forgotten the author, so it'll do.)

[Is it cold in here?]

From Dora's point of view, someone she thought was cute has become attracted to her for real reasons related to what Dora has accomplished.

This is not a random pairing of two characters just because they are orientation-compatible: it's been foreshadowed for a long time.

[Blood-Tree]

I think it has to be said that Tai playing rugby is completely out of character.

At the very least, her tackling technique is awful; go for the legs girl!

[Madmartigan]

Regarding Dora and Tai, I am cautiously pessimistic. I hope it works out, but I suspect it won't.

Hope they let each other down gently.

I also do still worry about Marten. He says he's fine now...but give it a few weeks. 

Also...eagerly awaiting reactions from others, like Marigold, Sven, Steve, etc.

Bah, Marten is waaaay too passive still.  Had to told by the awestome Lt. to give Padma a call pretty much.  I spect he'll be "bro-fisting" with the best of them when Tai and Dora get their booty call.

We'll see how this goes because I still just dont see it from Dora's end anything other than
"what the hell, male relationships have failed and this cute butch girl wants me baaaad".

Waiting for Pintsize's thoughts or rather....sexual innuendos.

I've got my money on him bringing out the fleshlight and making a scathing remark about Marten being single and Tai getting his "Sloppy seconds"

That makes perfect sense.  Pintsize will not pass up a chance at burning 3 people in one go.   That's just how he is.

As far the person who brought up Tai's ditching Marten thing.  Yea, I understand that.  I've been blown off for "new friends" specially the female variety and it is bothersome as hell.  Tai seems to genuinely like Marten, but in the moment, she seemed dead serious.  Now, I'm not the biggest Tai supporter, never really liked her character, but give her some room for right now.  She's wanted to do naughty things to Dora ever since Tai entered the comic.  Then again, that may be my issue with her in general.  Her blatant salivating over Dora while dating Marten.  Not like it really bothered Marten tho.  He was WAY passive then.  He's only marginally better now.  He may be reaching the mendoza line with passivity.

[Mr. Doctor]

Tai's 'brutal honesty' in the last panel sits very poorly with me. I've always been very meh about her, but this is certainly not winning her any points with me. I mean, nothing says that you value your friends more than blurting out how you'd throw them away for so little. [/sarcasm]

Aye, I know it was part of the joke but I still didn't really appreciate it... So yeah, not cool for me even if it wasn't too serious.

[TinPenguin]

Oh come on, many people constantly say that kind of thing to their friends. Being polite to your enemies and savage to your friends is a widespread phenomenon.

[Mr_Rose]

Hell, it's Faye's entire personality. God help her kids. *shudder*

[Welu]

In a world where executives of the university library do it on the copy machine... I'd say Tai is pretty normal.

After "In a world" I read that sentence in the dramatic sci-fi movie trailer guy voice. Just thought I'd share.

I tried to say the sentence in the Voice but I can't do the echo. 

~ ~

I liked this comic but I share the "Eengh" for the last panel. Although I still chuckled and quickly remembered my friends and I would make those kind of jokes to each other, down to the saying it straight and snarky reply. Assuming Tai is joking.

[Boxilar]

 The voice conveys the message.  A slightly sarcastic, slightly apologetic with a whole lot of "please be okay with this" tone is what I hear from Tai here. Jeph does a great job with expressions, but there's no way to convey tone of voice.

[jwhouk]

I think it has to be said that Tai playing rugby is completely out of character.

At the very least, her tackling technique is awful; go for the legs girl!

I can attest to the fact that you are most definitely wrong, unless you enjoy getting kicked in the face.

Which I didn't.

[FunkyTuba]

There are a couple of words in Tai's speech that I think people are ignoring:

Good because right now I would happily sacrifice our friendship for more Dora-kisses

We know she's impulsive, she's fresh from the flush of a newly-kindled relationship and she's with a bro... so she says something impulsive. I think her relationship with Marten can handle a little faux pas.

[Tova]

I had two reactions to the last panel of this comic. The first was to laugh my head off. The second was to decide that at least one person in WCDT would get their nose out of joint.

It's a rhetorical device, people... 

Next on QC

Marten states that he'd "kill for a cold drink."
Half of the forums discuss the ethics of killing to satisfy thirst.
The other half lambast Tai for what they've driven Marten to do.

I, for one, can't wait.

[Madmartigan]

Hell, it's Faye's entire personality. God help her kids. *shudder*

Faye with kids is the scariest possible thing that could happen other than Pintsize replicating minimes of himself.

[sitnspin]

Some people say Marten is too passive. I say some people here are way too sensitive. Do you people really get your feelings hurt that easily? Hell, I suffer from chronic depression and even I don't get butt hurt by these things.

I don't get the whole "friends can't date exes" thing. Why the hell not? Especially in situations where the break up was mutual and both parties are still friends. Marten and Dora dated, then they broke up. They weren't married, she wasn't "the love of his life," and they both agreed that ending it was the right thing to do. Marten was relieved when it was over. He has had time to process it and let it go.  He's already dated someone else.  Are you people really so selfish that you can't comprehend someone legitimately being happy for his friends cos they found each something with other? Some people are actually glad when their friends find happiness. It isn't as though they are finding it at his expense, he has no romantic interest in either of them so he is not losing anything by them being together.

Maybe it's cos I originally come from an area where the pool of available partners was pretty small. If we were not allowed to date the exes of people we knew, no one would ever have been able to date more than one person.

[Madmartigan]

Some people say Marten is too passive. I say some people here are way too sensitive. Do you people really get your feelings hurt that easily? Hell, I suffer from chronic depression and even I don't get butt hurt by these things.

I don't get the whole "friends can't date exes" thing. Why the hell not? Especially in situations where the break up was mutual and both parties are still friends. Marten and Dora dated, then they broke up. They weren't married, she wasn't "the love of his life," and they both agreed that ending it was the right thing to do. Marten was relieved when it was over. He has had time to process it and let it go.  He's already dated someone else.  Are you people really so selfish that you can't comprehend someone legitimately being happy for his friends cos they found each something with other? Some people are actually glad when their friends find happiness. It isn't as though they are finding it at his expense, he has no romantic interest in either of them so he is not losing anything by them being together.

Maybe it's cos I originally come from an area where the pool of available partners was pretty small. If we were not allowed to date the exes of people we knew, no one would ever have been able to date more than one person.

Err, only the crazies are bothered by Marten not reacting to Tai and Dora dating in a jealous way.  Me, yea, I wish it had worked out. It didn't.  We sane people know Marten is way over Dora now, from his Padma fling to "trying" and failing massively to get on the Lt.  If anything, he was too passive while dating Dora when Tai was but trying to mount Dora and making it none too obvious.  Post Dora, don't think he gives a shit anymore.  Things ended too badly for him to really care romantically for her anymore.

But there really is no debate that Marten is an incredibly passive beast.  It's his one major flaw, particularly in his relationships.

[Tova]

Undeniably true.

The problem there, though, is that it has become like the old saying that "No one ever got fired for buying IBM." Except in this case, no-one ever got fired for blaming something on Marten's passivity.

So the argument frequently goes (explicitly or implicitly) something like this:

"So-and-so is really screwing Marten around."
"Not really. Marten is fine with it."
"That's only because he's so passive."

Undeniable, right? We all know he's passive.

Well, because he is passive, it can be hard to distinguish between Marten suppressing his feeling on the one hand, and him genuinely not being offended on the other. And we can only use our own feelings on the matter to determine the situation one way or another. Hence the disagreement on the forums.

So while I acknowledge that the people blaming Marten's passivity may sometimes have a point, it's important to remember that just pointing out that Marten is passive doesn't prove anything one way or another. It just leaves the door open to varying interpretations.

To get back to the current situation, I don't think Marten is being passive - he's being quite straightforward in his approval of Tai and Dora's new relationship. I will continue to take him at his word until I see some evidence to the contrary.

[sitnspin]

If anything, he was too passive while dating Dora when Tai was but trying to mount Dora and making it none too obvious. 

Was this being passive or just secure enough in the relationship to not be bothered by it? He didn't feel threatened by Tai's crush on Dora. Is a lack of insecurity now considered passivity?

But there really is no debate that Marten is an incredibly passive beast.  It's his one major flaw, particularly in his relationships.

He is easy going. How is this a character flaw?

[Mothykins]

He is easy going. How is this a character flaw?

There's a line between being easygoing and being a doormat. Marten tends to waver back and forth over this line. Letting people push him around and walk all over him is, in fact, a character flaw. But you're right in that he isn't always passive to that extreme.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

QC Forums Axiom #1: In any given debate over the comic, if the opposing position becomes unassailable, the instigator need only bring up Marten's passivity in the negative.

QC Forums Axiom #2: We are never done debating Marten's level of passivity.

QC Forums Axiom #3: Marten will never be assertive enough to please the forum.

[Kugai]

Awkward Zone entered


We need a costume change!!

Dora in a riding costume, Tai in a corset and knickers!!

I was thinking more of Amane and Hikari actually

[cesariojpn]

Awkward Zone entered


We need a costume change!!

Dora in a riding costume, Tai in a corset and knickers!!

I was thinking more of Amane and Hikari actually

No, Awkward Zone only works for Victorian Era garb!!

[no one special]

Some people say Marten is too passive. I say some people here are way too sensitive. Do you people really get your feelings hurt that easily? Hell, I suffer from chronic depression and even I don't get butt hurt by these things.

Suffering from depression is not a barometer of one's sensitivity.  There's no such thing as too sensitive - people simply have different levels of sensitivity, and what's more, they shouldn't be chastised for it.  You're not the one to judge them.

Re: Tai and Dora - I don't really have anytihng to say that hasn't been said already.  I'm in the camp of people that don't see it as a natural fit.  I mean, Tai's still in college, and Dora is in her mid-to-late 20's.  They don't know each other all that well.  Differences in lifestyle.  Does Dora really care for her, or is it just reactionary?  All that stuff, etc. etc. etc - that's where I'm at with it.  I just don't see how it makes sense, but hey, we'll see what happens!