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WCDT: 2271-75 (10-14 September 2012) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread
Renewman:
--- Quote from: ummmkay on 10 Sep 2012, 16:16 ---to me, it's totally believable. other folks have posted about real-life situations where person A REALLY likes person B, and person B isn't super into it. that happens. sometimes person B shuts it down so as not to hurt person A. sometimes person B decides to go for it and see what happens. both of those are realistic scenarios!
i think some people are confusing "i don't like this pairing/don't think the characters are handling this well/don't think this will work out" with "this is not a believable way for people to act". people don't always do the "right" thing! sometimes people do stupid shit and other people get hurt. sometimes things look like they are going to crash and burn but then they don't, and hey, it was worth the risk after all! if the characters did everything right in every situation and everything always worked out perfectly, reading a comic about them would be pointless and probably irritating.
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I'll say this is a wrong assumption. Everyone knows that love is blind and makes people do stupid things. No one is debating that. What we are debating is whether this pairing even logically makes sense based off past interactions that Tai and Dora have had in the past. There is nothing pointing in the direction of Tai and Dora becoming romantically involved outside of Dora flirting with Tai occasionally and Tai confessing how much she wants to bone Dora and her infatuation with her. I could go on but you all get the point.
Of course, the people who like this current pairing are going to start accusing people of casting doom and gloom because "we don't like it." I don't like it because it makes no sense and feels shoe-horned, not because I have something out for Tai or Dora. :roll:
Madmartigan:
--- Quote from: Renewman on 10 Sep 2012, 18:30 ---
--- Quote from: ummmkay on 10 Sep 2012, 16:16 ---to me, it's totally believable. other folks have posted about real-life situations where person A REALLY likes person B, and person B isn't super into it. that happens. sometimes person B shuts it down so as not to hurt person A. sometimes person B decides to go for it and see what happens. both of those are realistic scenarios!
i think some people are confusing "i don't like this pairing/don't think the characters are handling this well/don't think this will work out" with "this is not a believable way for people to act". people don't always do the "right" thing! sometimes people do stupid shit and other people get hurt. sometimes things look like they are going to crash and burn but then they don't, and hey, it was worth the risk after all! if the characters did everything right in every situation and everything always worked out perfectly, reading a comic about them would be pointless and probably irritating.
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I'll say this is a wrong assumption. Everyone knows that love is blind and makes people do stupid things. No one is debating that. What we are debating is whether this pairing even logically makes sense based off past interactions that Tai and Dora have had in the past. There is nothing pointing in the direction of Tai and Dora becoming romantically involved outside of Dora flirting with Tai occasionally and Tai confessing how much she wants to bone Dora and her infatuation with her. I could go on but you all get the point.
Of course, the people who like this current pairing are going to start accusing people of casting doom and gloom because "we don't like it." I don't like it because it makes no sense and feels shoe-horned, not because I have something out for Tai or Dora. :roll:
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Agreed. Other than the nut jobs (of which hardly even post here to be relevant anyway) no one hates characters in QC. They all have good points. Some of us don't particularly care for this character or that one as opposed to other.
Tora brought up even if it is long lasting that we'll somehow cast it as bad writing. No.
I don't particularly care for others casting such assumptions about others. Those of us who just don't see this or how we really got here are just that. Confused as to how we got here based on our interpretations of Jeph's writing. I don't like doom and gloom junk.
I WANT to believe. I just dont' buy something that seems manufactured in its current form.
If you want to know why I see Dora's interactions as sisterly lacking that true and hard sexual and romantic attraction, I'll go at it again. One reason why I need to see it that was is to preserve Dora's own appeal during her relationship with Marten and her interactions with Tai. But I'll refrain unless you really want to know.
jwhouk:
The 30% joke is because of her perceived contract with QC, not due to anything else. :-)
The primary reason why this doesn't "seem right" is because we have never seen Dora on this end of a relationship - the pursued instead of the pursuer. What really didn't help was that Tai's decision to go talk to Dora was made very suddenly, and after very little forethought.
The arc before all this was Marten training the interns while she was sitting back, getting high and watching Adventure Time, for cryin' out loud. The only time it suddenly became Dora-focused was when she ended up back at Faye and Marten's place, and Dora came over. No buildup, save a little soliloquy from her in 2214.
I think that if, in Tai and Marten's ensuing conversations, Tai would have been a little more revealing towards Marten about her desire to want to settle in to a monogamous relationship, it would have made a bit more sense.
However, she was a little bit over-hung after she made the decision - so it might be the wine talking. Which makes us all see this relationship as what happened to Marten and Vicki. ("Life-altering decisions should never be made while drunk, dummy")
ummmkay:
i guess what i was trying to say (perhaps not very well) is that to me, it DOES make sense for things to have progressed this way. tai has been pretty obvious about being into dora for quite a while now. i actually agree with the people who have said that it doesn't seem like there's a romantic vibe from dora's side. but i do know, and have seen a lot of real-life relationships, where someone is enjoying being pursued, and enjoying the feeling you get when somebody is really into you, and then going along with dates, etc, maybe even into a relationship, because (perhaps subconsciously) they just like feeling wanted. especially someone as massively insecure as dora. and then later they might realize, you know what, i just talked myself into thinking i had feelings for that person when i really didn't. however, it does seem like dora is trying to figure things out so hopefully she'll be serious about that and not just fling caution to the winds.
orrrrrr perhaps i'm just projecting my own experiences onto fictional characters and i'm totally wrong about all of this. wouldn't be the first time. :roll: sorry if i rubbed anyone the wrong way! wasn't my intention
Renewman:
--- Quote from: Madmartigan on 10 Sep 2012, 18:41 ---
--- Quote from: Renewman on 10 Sep 2012, 18:30 ---
--- Quote from: ummmkay on 10 Sep 2012, 16:16 ---to me, it's totally believable. other folks have posted about real-life situations where person A REALLY likes person B, and person B isn't super into it. that happens. sometimes person B shuts it down so as not to hurt person A. sometimes person B decides to go for it and see what happens. both of those are realistic scenarios!
i think some people are confusing "i don't like this pairing/don't think the characters are handling this well/don't think this will work out" with "this is not a believable way for people to act". people don't always do the "right" thing! sometimes people do stupid shit and other people get hurt. sometimes things look like they are going to crash and burn but then they don't, and hey, it was worth the risk after all! if the characters did everything right in every situation and everything always worked out perfectly, reading a comic about them would be pointless and probably irritating.
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I'll say this is a wrong assumption. Everyone knows that love is blind and makes people do stupid things. No one is debating that. What we are debating is whether this pairing even logically makes sense based off past interactions that Tai and Dora have had in the past. There is nothing pointing in the direction of Tai and Dora becoming romantically involved outside of Dora flirting with Tai occasionally and Tai confessing how much she wants to bone Dora and her infatuation with her. I could go on but you all get the point.
Of course, the people who like this current pairing are going to start accusing people of casting doom and gloom because "we don't like it." I don't like it because it makes no sense and feels shoe-horned, not because I have something out for Tai or Dora. :roll:
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Agreed. Other than the nut jobs (of which hardly even post here to be relevant anyway) no one hates characters in QC. They all have good points. Some of us don't particularly care for this character or that one as opposed to other.
Tora brought up even if it is long lasting that we'll somehow cast it as bad writing. No.
I don't particularly care for others casting such assumptions about others. Those of us who just don't see this or how we really got here are just that. Confused as to how we got here based on our interpretations of Jeph's writing. I don't like doom and gloom junk.
I WANT to believe. I just dont' buy something that seems manufactured in its current form.
If you want to know why I see Dora's interactions as sisterly lacking that true and hard sexual and romantic attraction, I'll go at it again. One reason why I need to see it that was is to preserve Dora's own appeal during her relationship with Marten and her interactions with Tai. But I'll refrain unless you really want to know.
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