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WCDT: 2271-75 (10-14 September 2012) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread
Interlude:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Sep 2012, 15:37 ---I continue to be surprised at all the quite self-assured prophets of doom hovering about Tai and Dora's relationship. Tell me, o sages, did you read this many portents and omens coming off of Marten and Dora, or from Marten and Padma? It's an honest question, or at least the part about Marten and Padma is: I allowed myself to get invested in that relationship (a mistake when reading anything fictional), and may have missed telltale omens of its impending immolation.
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There were people who did not like Marten and Padma-- but I think a lot of people were really rooting for Marten to be happy. People want Dora (and Tai) to be happy, too, but such a big deal has been made about her not being ready to date that her dating is not necessarily perceived as best for her happiness. At the moment, at least.
Personally, I never really agreed with that. Yes, sometimes you need to step away from dating while you work on yourself. But you'll never date again if you wait until everything is "fixed." Not going to happen. An insecure person is not going to become a secure person in a matter of weeks, months-- if ever. People yelling (okay, most of them were not yelling) at Dora about how she is not ready for dating is probably what pushed along her decision to say yes to Tai. If my friends were making me feel like something was so wrong with me that I could not date, then I had someone tell me how wonderful I am and that I SHOULD take the jump and HE/SHE wanted to date me...I'd probably say yes.
Honestly, Dora's issues are not THAT bad. She has them, sure. But I do think it's nice for her to see someone believing in her, too. It may not be the best reason to be dating someone, but it sure is a hard thing to resist... If she treats Tai with respect and consideration, I don't see anything wrong with them dating. I don't think it's a "believable" connection. I personally do not like this pairing at all. But I do understand how it could happen.
Madmartigan:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 10 Sep 2012, 18:42 ---The 30% joke is because of her perceived contract with QC, not due to anything else. :-)
The primary reason why this doesn't "seem right" is because we have never seen Dora on this end of a relationship - the pursued instead of the pursuer. What really didn't help was that Tai's decision to go talk to Dora was made very suddenly, and after very little forethought.
The arc before all this was Marten training the interns while she was sitting back, getting high and watching Adventure Time, for cryin' out loud. The only time it suddenly became Dora-focused was when she ended up back at Faye and Marten's place, and Dora came over. No buildup, save a little soliloquy from her in 2214.
I think that if, in Tai and Marten's ensuing conversations, Tai would have been a little more revealing towards Marten about her desire to want to settle in to a monogamous relationship, it would have made a bit more sense.
However, she was a little bit over-hung after she made the decision - so it might be the wine talking. Which makes us all see this relationship as what happened to Marten and Vicki. ("Life-altering decisions should never be made while drunk, dummy")
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I didn't even think of that...
That is a strange transition. Getting high and watching adventure time to trying to get with the gal in therapy over relationship issues. If you take it that way, then it backs up many of ours point in their being no direct build up.
With Marten/Dora you had tension almost the entire time until they get together. You could really tell how obvious that one was going to be. Not so with Tai/Dora. Maybe another factor is that Dora was so sure of wanting Marten (and that's the only thing we have to go on) it seems off.
I mean. Look at this way. Would Dora seriously consider Tai in a relationship proactively? I mean, Tai wasn't even on her radar (outside of Tai bringing up a one night stand) until Tai come hard and heavy and had Dora reeling from the lavish attention and I think her innate and powerful desire to be pursued.
Is it cold in here?:
To me, "contrived" would mean Jeph is doing bad art, but "forced" could mean that Tai is pushing things in an unwarranted direction. Tai pushing things is entirely in character.
If they go from a first date to an actual relationship, we'll see whether it seems like a natural story development.
Tova:
--- Quote from: Madmartigan on 10 Sep 2012, 18:41 ---Tora brought up even if it is long lasting that we'll somehow cast it as bad writing. No.
I don't particularly care for others casting such assumptions about others. Those of us who just don't see this or how we really got here are just that. Confused as to how we got here based on our interpretations of Jeph's writing.
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Well, maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but it sounds like you're saying that you think Jeph's writing is inconsistent; in which case, you're already casting it as bad writing.
But if you just mean that you're confused as to how they got to start dating based on their previous behaviour, then I think that ummmkay has described it pretty much along the lines that I was going to, so I won't bother repeating.
Personally, I am quite glad we haven't had yet another "everyone knows they will end up together but them" trope, as we had with Marten and Dora. This storyline is a little more interesting, because it is not abundantly clear where the relationship will go from here. It's a little more interesting, at least from my perspective. YMMV.
P.S. Is my name a bit complicated? It's been bungled a handful of times around here.
Is it cold in here?:
Dora has been the pursued one in the recent past -- Jim surprised her with his dinner invitation.
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