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WCDT: 2281-85 (24-28 September 2012) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread
sitnspin:
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--- Quote from: pwhodges on 26 Sep 2012, 15:50 ---I'm picturing the Puppet Master + Kusanagi.
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Waitwaitwait, (click to show/hide)IIRC, the end "result" of the merge with the Major and 2501 is the Ghost of both of them in a lolita body. I figured Major/2501 was waxing poetically over how both of their "ghosts" combined and that it was a new change in technology. A bio-organic mind combined with a AI.
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(click to show/hide)No, that was just the only body Batou could find on short notice. The body was just a shell, hence the title. The merged consciousness spread through out the entire net. The Puppet Master had a ghost which proved that an organic brain was not necessary for generating a ghost as was originally thought. It was one of the many existential points brought up in the film/manga. As she became more and more machine, leaving only portions of her original brain matter, the Major began to doubt her own humanity. The Puppet Master showed that her humanity, represented most concretely by her ghost, was not dependent upon her body at all, opening up the question of what DOES it mean to be a conscious being then?
Mind you I have not read or watched it in years, so I might be a little off on details.
TheEvilDog:
On one hand, I liked Emily when Jeph introduced her into the comic. Her off-kilter comments seemed to take away from Claire's abrasiveness and offered a sort of child-like innocence that we don't really see anymore.
On the other hand, it is a little disconcerting to see someone of Emily's age, intelligence and area of expertise acting in such a way to Momo. As was discussed before, her actions towards Momo could be construed as harassment. It could be that because we can't hear Emily's tone and inflections and we might be misinterperating what she is saying, but at the same time the first two panels don't sit quite right with me, in particular Momo's line in the first panel and Emily's response. It just seems like, I'm not quite sure how to put this, like Emily has some deep rooted beliefs, despite the fact that as a Computer Science graduate, she would have some experience with Computer-Human relations.
I'm kind of hoping that this is just Emily adjusting to a world post-Singularity, but at the same time seeing this kind of leaves me feeling somewhat off.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: Exar_Kun on 26 Sep 2012, 14:23 ---There was something else that I was wondering, and thank you to Skewbrow for reminding me of it. Momo was expressly made by Sony. Sony does not strike me as a company to make AI just for the hell of it. They presumably started making AI to sell to people, which means that somewhere down the line, Sony made money FROM CREATING A THINKING BEING. Now maybe I'm just being a prude or misunderstanding the situation in a critical way, but that strikes me as being pretty unethical. Sure, other fictional universes have AI being created for profit (Tyrell Corp. and Weyland-Yutani, just off the top of my head), but those were clearly dystopian futures whereas QC is clearly not.
So I'm wondering how the AIERA affected the creation of AI? Are only AI allowed to create other AI now? I honestly can't see how anyone would be able to create AI for profit with the AIERA in place, as the underlying assumption on creating AI for profit is that they are indeed property.
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Insightful again.
What if Sony's business model is selling bodies into which you can load the companion AnthroPC you've adopted? But who runs the creche if Sony doesn't?
Carl-E:
Someone earlier in the thread wondered about Marten's purchase of Pintsize - I think it was posited (probably in another thread, definitely not in-comic) that Pintsize may well have been a gift from one of his parents (or another relative) either when he went to college or moved east. Maybe they knew he'd need a friend since Vickie was so obviously not into him anymore (well, obvious to everyone but him, of course...)
Skewbrow:
--- Quote from: Exar_Kun on 26 Sep 2012, 14:23 ---Momo was expressly made by Sony. Sony does not strike me as a company to make AI just for the hell of it. They presumably started making AI to sell to people, which means that somewhere down the line, Sony made money FROM CREATING A THINKING BEING.
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Another possibility occurred to me. May be Sony just made the Momo ver1.0 chassis? And her AI came from whatever creche is creating them? The relation of the AI and the chassis it occupies is certainly looser than in the case with carbon based intelligence.
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