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WCDT: 2281-85 (24-28 September 2012) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread
Is it cold in here?:
A number of things would be explained if Pintsize were a hand-me-down from Veronica Vance, though in that case I'd expect him to have learned to be better behaved.
Also she could probably afford a better model.
Carl-E:
She was an early adapter. He's what, a 286?
pwhodges:
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--- Quote from: pwhodges on 26 Sep 2012, 15:50 ---I'm picturing the Puppet Master + Kusanagi.
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Waitwaitwait, (click to show/hide)IIRC, the end "result" of the merge with the Major and 2501 is the Ghost of both of them in a lolita body. I figured Major/2501 was waxing poetically over how both of their "ghosts" combined and that it was a new change in technology. A bio-organic mind combined with a AI.
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(click to show/hide)No, that was just the only body Batou could find on short notice. The body was just a shell, hence the title. The merged consciousness spread through out the entire net. The Puppet Master had a ghost which proved that an organic brain was not necessary for generating a ghost as was originally thought. It was one of the many existential points brought up in the film/manga. As she became more and more machine, leaving only portions of her original brain matter, the Major began to doubt her own humanity. The Puppet Master showed that her humanity, represented most concretely by her ghost, was not dependent upon her body at all, opening up the question of what DOES it mean to be a conscious being then?
Mind you I have not read or watched it in years, so I might be a little off on details.
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Quite right. But then, one mind/soul/ghost having lost its biological basis, and the other having come into being without any, they are lacking the sexual means to create the variety and change which is necessary to life, avoiding the death which follows from stagnation (and maybe over-specialisation) as the Puppet Master says. So instead they merge within the net - which is why I mentioned it, rather cryptically, as a counter to:
--- Quote from: Mothykins on 26 Sep 2012, 14:58 ---D'AAAW ADORABUL WITTLE AI BABBIES~~~
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PS: Anyone who is mystified by this turn of conversation should go and watch The Ghost in the Shell.
no one special:
--- Quote from: cesariojpn on 26 Sep 2012, 03:30 ---You forgot about Winslow.
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It was late, and I only needed one example.
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--- Quote from: no one special on 26 Sep 2012, 03:19 ---Jeph's comment further implies that sufficient time has passed (since ratification) for Emily to understand that questions of ownership and function (i.e. purpose) should be considered highly insulting.
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But why should they be? This is surely no different to us asking people about their jobs and partnership status, which, as I said before, is typical of party small-talk.
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I agree with you, I didn't think it was insulting at all. But Jeph thinks it is, so therefore it is. I must accept it.
--- Quote from: Exar_Kun on 26 Sep 2012, 12:07 ---Anyway, yeah, its clear that Marigold doesn't consider herself to be the "owner" of Momo either. Else that whole thing about Momo "paying her back for the chassis" would be really weird. I mean, I don't expect my laptop to compensate me for upgrading its RAM or whatever.
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Well, the analogy doesn't quite fly. Note that everyone who owns/is contracted with an AnthroPC also has their own computer. So AnthroPC's serve a completely different emotional purpose than regular computers. If your laptop was your friend and would feel better if he/she paid you back, then you might feel differently. Also, Marigold wasn't planning to spend nearly that much for a new chassis - so in exchange for going so far out of her price range, Marigold agreed to let Momo pay her back. It'd probably be more equitable if Momo only paid back the difference the actual price and what Marigold was planning to spend... but who knows how that'll play out.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: no one special on 27 Sep 2012, 01:06 ---So AnthroPC's serve a completely different emotional purpose than regular computers.
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This is not entirely clear-cut. Marten uses his computer to back up Pintsize; but when he is starting his music blog (Yelling about Music), he dictates into Pintsize, not the computer.
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