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[Game and Watch Forever]

Riccostar's defensiveness at my people summary is what makes me feel most suspicious... while I expect disagreement at what I said, I think trying to discredit everything I said by saying I'm accusing everyone as ridiculous.

I don't feel strongly enough about ricco to want to see him dead, but at the same time, I suspect him and we don't really have any days to be NOT lynching. =/

vote riccostar

[riccostar]

Sigh    I agree about lynching today because we're starting to have better odds of getting a werewolf but I really don't think the person we lynch should be me.  I ask you guys to trust me and not kill me this time, I wouldn't ask for your trusts if I were against the village.  Please reconsider these votes.

[Zingoleb]

I'm literally unsure how you think that logic is working. Werewolves can ask us to trust them just the same as a villager...

[riccostar]

I'm saying that a werewolf could do that but I wouldn't.  I'm basically just asking for the trust of the village, something that I wouldn't betray after asking for. 

[Thrillho]

Bodycount is too high for trusting what people say at this point, I reckon.

[riccostar]

goodness! (posting for my life here)
Why won't Gareth trust me after we saved him by believing his claim to be hunter?   

If I didn't take into consideration Gareth's claim to be the hunter I'd definitely be looking to him as a possible werewolf.  The night after he was saved by his claim the werewolves probably should have killed him, if he is the hunter they would have killed the hunter and if he isn't the hunter they would have killed a villager.  He would be an ideal target for them unless he is a werewolf himself.  Because of this I believe that Gareth has the highest chance out of all of us to be a werewolf and I would be voting for him except that I probably won't because I'm too afraid that he in fact is the hunter...

[Zingoleb]

Except that the priest is very likely protecting him, so they'd have to target the priest before they could remove the hunter, so your logic fails once more.

[riccostar]

The priest wouldn't be protecting him though. Why would the priest take a chance on a possibly fake hunter when the priest could spend his prayers on a for sure important innocent, namely, himself.

[Lines]

What evidence is there that he's NOT the hunter? Or that the priest isn't protecting him? You wouldn't know that unless you are one of the two characters. And at this point in the game, you can't disprove you aren't a wolf by speculating what others may or may not be.

The reason I chose to believe Gareth is because he would totally chop into heads and disembowel people. (Sorry dude, but uh, you're sick like that.)

[Game and Watch Forever]

Oh god, I hope Gareth is using a sharp implement to do all this and not his pe-- *brain shuts down*

*one brain reboot later*
Whether Gareth is being protected by the priest is dependent on the priest's faith. No, not in God. In Gareth. If they believe him, they are probably protecting him. And if they're not, then they're probably protecting themselves (or someone else if they know or believe something else entirely). Either way, the werewolves (assuming he isn't one of them) aren't going to take that risk.

Here's a follow up question... if Gareth isn't the hunter, then what's the real hunter doing about it? I would imagine they'd be doing two things:
1) Aiming to kill Gareth at night
2) Argue against Gareth during the day (either with sound reasoning or counter-claiming)

Would you, as a hunter, seriously target cesium at night if you knew beyond a reasonable doubt that Gareth was lying and probably a werewolf? I wouldn't, though maybe somebody else can explain why it would make more sense....

[Thrillho]

I don't think I have anything else to prove re: me being the hunter, based on events so far it's a pretty open and shut case.

And no, I don't use weaponry to kill anyone, I use my giant bo-*banned*

[Black Sword]

A couple of items.

1) Day 4 has been extended until Friday, due to the holidays. Night 4 will be extended until Sunday. Day 5 will last until January 3.
2) The Priest cannot protect himself.
3) I will not lynch anyone who has the max tally with only one vote against them.

That's all.

[riccostar]

Darn it Black Sword, that second piece of information was my last resort card...

[Lines]

For what? Pretending you're the priest? If you were the priest, you would have been told that from the get go.

[riccostar]

Ouais, my back up plan for when the whole "trust me" thing didn't fly (which I almost hoped it would because it makes a lot of sense to me by my personal moral code) was to semi-subtly hint that I'm the priest.  I was going to do this by, after first playing up that it would make sense for the priest to protect himself, mentioning that the priest can't protect himself.  Then, in my hypothetical situation, people would go: "Gasp! He might be the priest! Don't hang the secret priest!" unless they were a werewolf in which case they'd be all: "Hell yeah! Hang him now so we don't have to kill him tonight!" This all might have been a good plan for letting me live a few extra hours except that my means by which to enact such a plan were recently revoked...

I think I went about all this much too subtly.  Oh well, knowledge gained for the next town we inhabit.

[Lines]

So you are the priest? If you are, I'll change my vote. (At least to no lynch for now, because who knows what the others will say.)

[riccostar]

I am the priest, I guess it would buy the village another day and another night if I were not to be hung today.

[Zingoleb]

If you are, we'll find out tonight. The werewolves will take you out for sure if you are, so I see no reason to lynch you at this point. If you *do* survive the night, then you're most likely a werewolf, and you'll basically be up for a lynching tomorrow night.

So, for right now, I see no reason not to believe you. If that's the case, then you'll be proved right or wrong by tomorrow.

Which leaves, I think, Patrick and Nikolai as still suspicious in my book.

[Nikolai]

If I were a werewolf (and that is just an if, mind you) I would leave riccostar alive just for the sheer satisfaction of watching the village hang him in the morning. Especially seeing as people seem to be fond of throwing around absolutes about werewolf behaviour...almost as if they know what the werewolves are thinking. *glares suspiciously at Unicorn*

[Zingoleb]

I'm not a werewolf, though I've honestly no way to prove that other than my sheer dedication to wiping out werewolves.

...if I get turned into a werewolf tonight I'm gonna be pissed.

[henri bemis]

Yeah, this is at least twice, now, we've been told what the werewolves would do by Unicorn, and I'm not sure how to read it.  If you say "Hey, if you don't get killed tonight, we'll lynch you tomorrow!", the werewolves might choose someone else just to fuck with us, and get an innocent person lynched.  I know we need to analyze everyone's motives and posts, but that seems a bit reckless.  Are you baiting the werewolves, or just trying to cause chaos?

[Zingoleb]

I'm trying to work out what would happen if what people are saying is or isn't true to figure out the best course of action. Maybe I should not say it out loud? I was hoping putting my thought processes on the table for why I'm leaning in a certain way would be the best course of action.

[henri bemis]

It might be, but it also kind of seems like you're setting people up to be lynched if they don't happen to get killed at night.  I don't mind theorizing, and I'm mostly thinking along the same lines as you, but werewolves can read this thread, too, and if we're telling people that if they don't get killed we'll lynch them, that just gives the wolves an incentive to not kill those people - which could be useful, no doubt!  But it wont necessarily help us if we lynch them right after.

[Zingoleb]

You're right.

Gahhhhhhh. This is so hard.

[Lines]

Of course you could have been fucking with us the whole time, too...

I withdraw my vote for riccostar. I have things to think about and luckily we have time.

[Game and Watch Forever]

Hmm...

ricco might be the priest. Werewolves may or may not fuck with us... only way we'd know for sure is if a real priest is unhappy with ricco (or there's a distinct absence of one)... but if ricco is lying said priest would be in danger if they claimed.

I'm not really willing to pursue this one much farther... but we need a lynch and we don't have room for many (if any) errors. Got some more time to think, thankfully.

unvote

[Thrillho]

Ricco, if you're the priest, then we're on the same side, so why are you trying to raise suspicions against me?

[Patrick]

I'm voting to lynch you, ricco, because it's a little suspicious that you'd jump in and shout "I'm the priest" knowing fully well that it could make you a quite juicy target for werewolfery AND after you've been so triggerhappy pointing fingers. That's some shady shit.

[Lines]

So says the guy with the tag line "FUCKING KILLING FOR FUN". Really? Really?

[Game and Watch Forever]

Ricco, if you're the priest, then we're on the same side, so why are you trying to raise suspicions against me?

Gareth may actually have a point...

Gareth: I apolgise for not being there after you made your claim, a cold set on hard.  Because of this I (even though J did end up being non-werewolfy) didn't get a chance to consider all the new ideas being thrown around before the end of the day and that wasn't really fair to anyone being put on trial    If you are the hunter, good luck tonight and may the priest lend you their aid.

goodness! (posting for my life here)
Why won't Gareth trust me after we saved him by believing his claim to be hunter?   

If I didn't take into consideration Gareth's claim to be the hunter I'd definitely be looking to him as a possible werewolf.  The night after he was saved by his claim the werewolves probably should have killed him, if he is the hunter they would have killed the hunter and if he isn't the hunter they would have killed a villager.  He would be an ideal target for them unless he is a werewolf himself.  Because of this I believe that Gareth has the highest chance out of all of us to be a werewolf and I would be voting for him except that I probably won't because I'm too afraid that he in fact is the hunter...

The priest wouldn't be protecting him though. Why would the priest take a chance on a possibly fake hunter when the priest could spend his prayers on a for sure important innocent, namely, himself.

If ricco's the priest, it sounds like he was planning to protect Gareth (or was this some sort of misdirection?) based on the first quote. But he does throw some doubt Gareth's way and then seems to contradict himself on whether the priest should or shouldn't protect Gareth.  Ricco, you may need to do some 'splaining on your thought process for this to make sense to me.

[henri bemis]

The priest wouldn't be protecting him though. Why would the priest take a chance on a possibly fake hunter when the priest could spend his prayers on a for sure important innocent, namely, himself.

This stands out to me.  Our GM said the Priest cannot protect himself, which is something the ricco would surely know if he were, indeed, the Priest. 

Was that statement really intentional, or are you just retconning an alibi?  I'm honestly not sure which answer is more convoluted/diabolical/crafty...

I do understand why you'd state your role, though, IF you are the Priest - You're facing a lynch, and you might get killed by the werewolves tonight, but if you survive the day, you can at least go down protecting someone.  That would be noble. 

The question is are you really the Priest, or just trying to save your ass?

[Patrick]

The question is are you really the Priest, or just trying to save your ass?

This is exactly the point in my thought process where I thought, "...and if the latter, why?"

I was iffy at first because I don't wanna bandwagon it, but I'm slightly more certain now.

[Lines]

After reading what the others have said and analyzing posts again, I am revoting to hang riccostar. I was confused, but ricco, if you were the priest, you should have known more about the role. I think you're a wolf trying to disguise yourself as the priest and are doing anything/everything to save your hide.

[henri bemis]

After re-reading the thread, I'm voting for Unicorn. 

Speculating about what the werewolves will do is one thing, but you always seem so certain, like you're trying to set us up.  You were right about cesium, but he got killed at night (by the hunter, I think?), and it's not unheard of for the mafia/werewolf/whatever faction to turn on each other.  I think you either took a calculated risk in making him suspicious (figuring we wouldn't vote to lynch him), or you ARE the hunter, and killed him after we failed to.  But I think Gareth's case for being the hunter is pretty strong, so I'm leaning toward the former scenario.  You also said you believed J, but didn't change your vote, which would have saved him.

[Zingoleb]

Yeah, no, I'm definitely not the hunter.

I'm honestly not sure why you say I seem so certain, given that most of what I say is accompanied by something to the effect of "I have no idea if this person is innocent or not, so I'm kind of vaguely suspicious but can't really prove anything". The people I did vote for and finger were people that I thought were guilty because I was poring over everything they said and trying to dissect the intent behind it.

...which I guess kind of hurts me, since I've said a lot myself to be dissected.

I'm honestly unsure what it would benefit me, though, were I a werewolf, to turn on the other one? That would just limit our numbers if that were the case, and that's just practically shooting myself in the foot.

That said, I can do my best to assure you that I'm pretty sure I'm not the werewolf, unless something's going on that I'm unaware of.

Also, changing my vote wouldn't have saved J, which is why I didn't change it. There still would have been a majority to lynch him if I retracted my vote or not.

[henri bemis]

I'm only doing exactly what you are - poring over posts and trying to figure out intent.  Turning on a werewolf would give you credibility - You accuse cesium, he gets killed and revealed as a wolf, and you not only avoid suspicion, but everything you say is more legitimate because, of course, no wolf would turn on one of their own.

And I know that's kind of tinfoil hat, but after J's death (I may be wrong in my count, but if you'd retracted your vote and gone back to Gareth, my numbers say it could have been a tie, so they'd both have lived), and despite your disclaimers, you post a lot about what the werewolves will or should do, so I'm standing by my vote.

[Zingoleb]

But I think Gareth is telling the truth when he says he's the hunter - why would I then vote to lynch him?

[henri bemis]

If you'd changed your vote back to him, it would have been a tie, so they'd both be safe, and Gareth himself has advocated for calculated votes that lead to a stalemate. 

Which kind of brings me back to why I voted for you - I don't actually expect that enough people will vote the same as me, and you'll likely make it through today, but if I die tonight I don't want to go out without voicing my suspicions.

[Zingoleb]

Oh, damn. I didn't think of that. I wish I had done that, too - I was actually convinced of J's innocence and...ugh.

[Thrillho]

I was just busy greasing up my various weapons of destruction, thought I'd stick my head in on this discussion just to note that I vote ricostar.

[J]

* J haunts unicorn from beyond the grave. "Yooouuuu could have saaaved meeeee."

[Black Sword]

Blinded by fear, the villagers were no longer thinking clearly. They seize upon the flimsiest premise to accuse riccostar of being a werewolf. Though he tried to reason with his fellows, it was all for naught. The village lynched him from the cesium tree. When they searched his quarters inside the church, it becomes clear that he was truly the priest of their village.

The villagers retreat to their homes, aware that their sins were now beyond forgiveness.

Night 4

[Thrillho]

I wonder if I can kill myself with auto-erotic asphyxiation before the wolves get me?

[Zingoleb]

Shit!

[Thrillho]

You brought it on yourself, preacher man. We wanted to believe you but you just had to fuck with us, and now every last one of us is doomed.

[henri bemis]

Well, fuck.  riccostar, for the little it's worth, I believed you.  You didn't deserve to go out like this.

[Patrick]

Son of a BITCH

[riccostar]

Sorry guys 

I'll put in a good word for you henri 

*spirit of ricco ascends*

[Black Sword]

Did the village of Wolfswald even deserve salvation? That was the question that wormed its way into the hearts of every villager. It tormented their sleep and stalked them into daybreak. Eyes showing the strain, the villagers gather around for the inevitable headcount.  The search began with even less energy this day.

Two discoveries hang from the cesium tree. First is unicorn, killed in the usual manner, his head split open, his intestines ripped out, for all that he was an ordinary villager. However, far more gruesome is the second man hanging from the tree.

The other hanging from the cesium tree is Gareth himself! In a perverse display of ironic humor, Gareth's head has been cracked open and his own intestines ripped out. It is clear that even though he was hanged, he was still alive when his intestines were torn out, that he was still alive as they were chewed and gnawed on by hungry wolves, that he was still alive when they did a poor job of splitting his skull, and that he was still alive when they finally tired of their game and ripped out his heart. It's not unexpected that a tough hunter like Gareth would take a lot of killing before he was dead.

However, with his death, the village is clearly damned.

Day 5

[Thrillho]

Famous last words:

At least I killed one of those sons of bitches.

Get 'em all, people. GET THEM ALL.