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Patrick:
Also May I think you forget to realize that a group of things isn't necessarily any smarter than an individual. Just look at Congress, the inverse is true.
Barmymoo:
I'm not really saying that cows are as intelligent as humans. Just that the argument that we're just taking advantage of our position futher up the food chain isn't really very plausible.
ackblom12:
Keep in mind I'm not arguing for or against vegetarianism here, but our intelligence and tool making capabilities are very much part of being the apex predator and a key element in our evolution. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by that?
Barmymoo:
I suppose it depends on what you constitute to be "predator". To me, although there's nothing wrong with using tools and systems, once you introduce factory farming and industrialised slaughter it's no longer a food chain issue.
ackblom12:
I'd say a predator is any species which regularly takes the life of another animal for reasons other than self defense, usually for food purposes, but not limited to such reasons.
All we've really done its made ourselves such efficient predators, on the whole as a species, as to be ridiculous.
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